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10-29-2012, 09:25 AM | #133 | |
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This special edition crap is getting old.
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10-29-2012, 09:56 AM | #134 | |
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Yes, 5 years from now the automotive landscape will be very similar to today's, with the vast majority of cars still being gasoline powered. What do you think you'll be driving, an I8? A flux capacitor AMG? The value of the V8 M3 will depend on many factors: cachet factor among less heeled buyers, mystique of owning "the last normally aspirated M car", track development potential and aftermarket options, reliability record of the car, etc. 5 years from now the cars tend to fall into the hands of enthusiasts who couldn't afford them new, and for this demographic the fuel consumption is irrelevant. Color and options will be more important than fuel economy. 10 years from now it will be more of the same, except by that time it tends to crystallize in 2 different directions: track rats and garage queens. It's around that timeframe that colors, options, number of miles and maintenance schedule become of utmost importance for the garage queens. And ultimately, the most important factor in the collectibility status of any car is production numbers. This will always conspire against the E9x M3 of course, but because of that, niche models like the limited editions (any of them) will hold their value much better than any of the regular cars. It's a simple fact that has been proven over and over with many different makes and models, and it doesn't really matter if you believe it or not - the market won't care. Paint affects resale value for older cars and collectible cars, just like it affects new cars. It's the first thing you see on the car, and it makes the most impact.
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10-29-2012, 11:41 AM | #135 | |
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I'll prefix this with the fact I am going off of personally collected data, not industry numbers. When it comes to the M3, there are very few that are bought as future "garage queens". As you mentioned, all generations have too high a production number to really attain "sought after collectible status" quickly. You have to wait for age/time to basically twindle down the number of samples on the market to reach this threshold. The E30 M3 has pretty much attained this status. The E36 M3 is still looked at as the "perfect beginner track car". A few people buy them for daily drivers and there are probably a few people that are still sitting on a pristine example waiting for time to be on their side. But for the most part, people buy these car, gut them and track them. The E46 is beginning its conversion to sought after track car. But it is still sitting in the "easily attainable daily driver/weekend canyon run" car. This makes it very susceptible to market pricing. The E9X is just starting it transition to "sought after" daily driver for the masses. You have 2008/2009 leases hitting (or already on the market) and next year you'll start seeing some 2010's showing up (and the next year quite a bit more as people start positioning themselves for the Next Gen M3). If you look at history, you're looking at another 10-15 years before "pristine" E9X M3's starts to benefit in used pricing. And for these frozen colors, their benefit is going to greatly depend on how easy it is to take care of the paint once it's 5+ years old. If it proves to be similar to regular paint (easy daily/weekly upkeep and many a full detail once or twice a year) then they will attain some value. But if they aren't easy to damage (due to a variety of things in the environment) it'll be looked as a failed experiment (and failed experiements on the used car market plummet in value since that's just one more headache the new owner will have to account for). Last edited by shaq diesel; 10-29-2012 at 01:49 PM.. |
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10-29-2012, 01:47 PM | #137 |
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I think BMW needs to learn the definition of "limited"...
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10-29-2012, 02:22 PM | #138 |
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I haven't read through the whole thread, so maybe this was already answered: Are the pictures of the actual U.S. version, or a Euro variation? I see Euro seat bolsters, Euro front bumper, and front PDC, so this doesn't look like the U.S. version.
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10-29-2012, 02:42 PM | #139 |
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^^What is posted is basically the same pics we got from BMW. So I would assume that the car will come as shown in the pics.
however like you said it could be stock photos from the Euro release. We are going to try and get one for the store. If we are successful ill def post detail pics of inside and out
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10-29-2012, 07:47 PM | #141 | |
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Look at the only other BMW's that have increased in value recently: S54 Z3M roadster and coupe, 1M coupe, that's about it. And what do they have in common? If I were in the market for a new M3, I'd get the blue frozen edition and sail off into the sunset.
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10-29-2012, 08:42 PM | #142 | |
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what do these editions offer besides a nameplate and some specific BMW Individual speccing? |
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10-30-2012, 12:56 AM | #144 | |
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The LTW had precisely zero pedigree, wasn't really even faster than the regular car. And the S54 Z3M and 1M have the same null pedigree, yet fetch nice premiums. My Limited Edition Miata fetches 50-100% more than a regular car of similar vintage, all because of a unique color combination and trim bits. There really is just one connecting thread between all these cars... You can chose to ignore it or not. But IMO its there.
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A company that tries to give its clients some variety and individuality, and people( that claim they are BMW enthusiasts ) slam them. What a world. A special car for a small premium, good on ya BMW.
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10-31-2012, 08:35 AM | #149 | |
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All I can tell you is, in 2020 in the USA, the gasoline engine will still be king. Of course the engines will become more efficient, and gas more expensive, and hybrids more prevalent. Whatever, for a young enthusiast wanting to experience the thrills of a racetrack, buying a legendary used car will still be the most appealing alternative. For these guys, all that matters is the budget to purchase and get the car track ready. Few of these old cars will continue as daily drivers. Most will be weekend toys, where no one cars about anything except the entertainment value. Why do you think the muscle cars from the 60s and 70s made such a huge comeback, despite huge inherent flaws: bad mileage, bad handling, bad build quality.
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10-31-2012, 03:00 PM | #150 |
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Honestly,
Have you guys seen a frozen color that is dirty or not under direct lighting, such as at night time? They look horrible. The only good frozen color in my opinion is black. Plus, M at BMW was always focused on "stuff" under the hood. Give me a lightweight, more HP, a real GTS and I pay. But, a paint job and contrast stitching at overpriced value is nothing to write home about. They are just trying to "milk" it, drop by drop (wrong approach BMW bean counters!). |
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Give us a break BMWNA....anyone who pays up for this pretty car is a fool...I'm insulted that they have even offered these cars for sale.
I'm mean "com on man" put a BBK or something on these things to make them special...or maybe euro MDM or some other performance bone! REALLY DISAPPOINTING! |
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10-31-2012, 04:32 PM | #153 |
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Can't wait to see what the dealer markup will be on top the $16k premium, although I like the white and blue the "Frozen" editions are not even close to being worth the money.
Waiting for the M4.
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10-31-2012, 05:06 PM | #154 | |
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your one word "rarity" isn't enough to make a collectible, sorry. if that was all that mattered, Pontiac Azteks would be collector's items. there's got to be something else that sparks the lust of a collector, enough to make him pay through the nose for a car and spark bidding wars. i understand your argument - you're saying that the frozen color is the other piece of the puzzle and that will make the car more desirable later on. i disagree - i believe this frozen/matte stuff is a fad and the car community will eventually move on. time will tell who's right. |
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