my 6MT vs. DCT

reinaldo335 · 07-08-2008, 08:51 PM

how many miles on the dct and the 6mt odometer????

jm1234 · 07-08-2008, 09:50 PM

What gear did the DCT start in? If it was cruising in a D mode at 20 mph it might have been in 4th and then tried to shift to 2nd or 3rd to 1st and this might have accounted for the 6MT surge and then subsequent parity? Isn't the DCT a little (tinee, tiny, bit) slower shifting from gears on the same shaft?

It could have been than the 6MT driver was a little quicker on the gas. The OP did say both cars were even after the start? Did the DCT driver previously drive a SMG and he has a habit of lifting a bit on shifts?

I'm thinking of more and more things in addition to engine variation? Can't say what's right so I throw crap out there and see what goes down in flames...

Sovereignty · 07-10-2008, 02:41 AM

Car and driver review of the DCT test compared to the 6MT, this might proof my results

But Is It Quicker?

"After scouring the test results for some useful conclusion, the answer is “not really.” The M DCT car hit 60 mph in 4.3 seconds, cleared the quarter-mile in 12.7 at 113 mph, and achieved 150 mph in 26 seconds flat. Compare that to the six-speed manual’s numbers of 4.3, 12.8 at 113, and 24.3, respectively. If you zoom in even closer and look at each 10-mph increment, the two cars trade off which is quicker until 120 mph, when the manual starts pulling away". Car and Driver BY DAVE VANDERWERP june 2008

here is the link: http://www.caranddriver.com/buying_g...on+id-259.html

RandyB · 07-10-2008, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jm1234

What gear did the DCT start in? If it was cruising in a D mode at 20 mph it might have been in 4th and then tried to shift to 2nd or 3rd to 1st and this might have accounted for the 6MT surge and then subsequent parity? Isn't the DCT a little (tinee, tiny, bit) slower shifting from gears on the same shaft?

It could have been than the 6MT driver was a little quicker on the gas. The OP did say both cars were even after the start? Did the DCT driver previously drive a SMG and he has a habit of lifting a bit on shifts?

I'm thinking of more and more things in addition to engine variation? Can't say what's right so I throw crap out there and see what goes down in flames...

Or, the 6MT could just be faster!

footie · 07-10-2008, 09:30 AM

I don't understand why on this or any other occasion why the manual car should be quicker at any point unless it's (DCT) is in D mode and need to shift as the throttle is floored.

Here is an A3 2.0T DSG vs a Mk5 GTI manual at a drag strip. Now here's the same A3 against a Focus ST, the same result and remember this is a stock A3.

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The A3 weighs more than the GTI and has a lower PTW than the Focus yet in both occasions the A3 wins and this is purely down to the gearbox.

Here's a GTI DSG against a Focus ST, the video video show the Golf in auto and you see the delay between flooring the throttle and the car shifting and starting to accelerate. The second shows the GTI DSG in manual mode and accelerates from the off.

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reinaldo335 First Lieutenant 22 Rep 351 Posts Drives: m3 ZCP 6MT, on order 09 m3 6MT Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: puerto rico iTrader: (0)	how many miles on the dct and the 6mt odometer????
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jm1234 Lieutenant 18 Rep 431 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Jet Black/Tan/SA 6MT Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alpharetta, GA iTrader: (0)	What gear did the DCT start in? If it was cruising in a D mode at 20 mph it might have been in 4th and then tried to shift to 2nd or 3rd to 1st and this might have accounted for the 6MT surge and then subsequent parity? Isn't the DCT a little (tinee, tiny, bit) slower shifting from gears on the same shaft? It could have been than the 6MT driver was a little quicker on the gas. The OP did say both cars were even after the start? Did the DCT driver previously drive a SMG and he has a habit of lifting a bit on shifts? I'm thinking of more and more things in addition to engine variation? Can't say what's right so I throw crap out there and see what goes down in flames...
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07-10-2008, 02:41 AM	#25
Sovereignty sovereignty 4 Rep 41 Posts Drives: E92 ///M 6MT Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	Car and driver review of the DCT test compared to the 6MT, this might proof my results But Is It Quicker? "After scouring the test results for some useful conclusion, the answer is “not really.” The M DCT car hit 60 mph in 4.3 seconds, cleared the quarter-mile in 12.7 at 113 mph, and achieved 150 mph in 26 seconds flat. Compare that to the six-speed manual’s numbers of 4.3, 12.8 at 113, and 24.3, respectively. If you zoom in even closer and look at each 10-mph increment, the two cars trade off which is quicker until 120 mph, when the manual starts pulling away". Car and Driver BY DAVE VANDERWERP june 2008 here is the link: http://www.caranddriver.com/buying_g...on+id-259.html
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footie Major General 1120 Rep 8,017 Posts Drives: i5M60 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: No where fast iTrader: (0) Garage List 2024 BMW i5M60 [0.00] 2022 BMW i4M50 [0.00] 2020 BMW M5 Competi ... [0.00] 2008 E92 M3 [0.00]	I don't understand why on this or any other occasion why the manual car should be quicker at any point unless it's (DCT) is in D mode and need to shift as the throttle is floored. Here is an A3 2.0T DSG vs a Mk5 GTI manual at a drag strip. Now here's the same A3 against a Focus ST, the same result and remember this is a stock A3. [u2b]f9UJlSf6-nA&feature=related[/u2b] The A3 weighs more than the GTI and has a lower PTW than the Focus yet in both occasions the A3 wins and this is purely down to the gearbox. Here's a GTI DSG against a Focus ST, the video video show the Golf in auto and you see the delay between flooring the throttle and the car shifting and starting to accelerate. The second shows the GTI DSG in manual mode and accelerates from the off. [u2b]XU7j3x4AY3E&feature=related[/u2b]
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