Corvette ZR1 laps the 'Ring in 7:26.4:

[dechoong]

Originally Posted by ersin

Ha! Take that Nissan.

Ehh... 480bhp is no match against 620bhp

[icemang17]

Originally Posted by dechoong

Ehh... 480bhp is no match against 620bhp

http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/zr...R1_|_ZR1_|_zr1

This seems plausible to me.....a 3400lb 638HP car...or a power to weight of 5.3 vs the alleged 7:29 of the GTR a 3900lb 480hp car or 8.1....ya right...yet another example of how Nissan lies about the GTR or SERIOUSLY under rates the HP by over 100hp.... So if an M3 with a power to weight of 8.5 can't break 8:00 but the only slightly better GTR can beat it by over 30 seconds....RIGHT....

I want to see the ring time for the Viper ACR...almost the same power to weight as the ZR1 with far better handling due to its downforce....it should be high teens...but it will loose some time on the straight due to its lower 177mph top speed

[footie]

Originally Posted by Mantis

M3 cant even break 7's

Originally Posted by swamp2

@Mantis: There is a distinct possibility that the M-DCT car will break the magic 8 minute barrier. With a factory Ace driver it certainly would.

Not that it concerns me too much but why when the M-DCT has been out for more than two months now has a ring time for it not been recorded. Have Sport Auto not even tested it as yet which begs the question, why not, is BMW holding back such comprehensive testing.

There is a lot of question marks over M-DCT's ability at the moment and I think there is no smoke without fire.

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by swamp2

Look I am not saying you never have posted anything good/positive about BMWs or M3s, it is simply fact that you spend a majority of your time here on this M3 FORUM praising other brands.

I am neither fanboy, nor hater, I too like the majority here have a broad and deep appreciation for all fine automobiles, expecially those that truly peform. You keep on trying to pigeonhole me, time and time again but you always fail.

And praising other brands is a bad thing= fanboy/Swamp. You still haven't answered my question, why didn't you complain about the NSX Ring time thread and complain about this one. Apparently i did not fail since you're being very defensive about it.

[ruff]

Originally Posted by footie

Not that it concerns me too much but why when the M-DCT has been out for more than two months now has a ring time for it not been recorded. Have Sport Auto not even tested it as yet which begs the question, why not, is BMW holding back such comprehensive testing.

There is a lot of question marks over M-DCT's ability at the moment and I think there is no smoke without fire.

At 120 mph the manual trans car will start to pull away a from a DCT equipped car.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by gbb357

And praising other brands is a bad thing= fanboy/Swamp.

Nope, but when it is about all you do, it does get awfully tiring.

Originally Posted by gbb357

You still haven't answered my question, why didn't you complain about the NSX Ring time thread and complain about this one. Apparently i did not fail since you're being very defensive about it.

Typical - the obvious is right there in front of you - smacking you on the back of the head and you still can't see it. 1. We rarely talk about Acura here, 2. The fellow who posted about the Acura is a solid, long term contributor of balanced information about M3s here at the forum.

Keep up the "good" work, C- for effort....

[sfbimmer13]

Originally Posted by ruff

At 120 mph the manual trans car will start to pull away a from a DCT equipped car.

you know that that is BS - this was just the C&D test and they obviously screwed something up, all other publications say otherwise

[ruff]

Originally Posted by sfbimmer13

you know that that is BS - this was just the C&D test and they obviously screwed something up, all other publications say otherwise

Bimmer, Are you sure about all these numerous other tests? Make sure you do your homework before you show me the money. Or is it really about the tests that fit your predetermined fancy that are the only legitimate ones and all others are rigged. Let me guess, the C&D article picking the M3 over the GT-R, and Porsche Turbo was not a bogus article at all in your mind, in fact the boys from C&D got it exactly right in that article by conducting a scientific and tightly controlled analysis. Maybe the C&D boys were coming off a bad hangover when they flubbed the DCT vs MT test?

[Hans Delbruck]

Originally Posted by ruff

Bimmer, Are you sure about all these numerous other tests? Make sure you do your homework before you show me the money. Or is it really about the tests that fit your predetermined fancy that are the only legitimate ones and all others are rigged. Let me guess, the C&D article picking the M3 over the GT-R, and Porsche Turbo was not a bogus article at all in your mind, in fact the boys from C&D got it exactly right in that article by conducting a scientific and tightly controlled analysis. Maybe the C&D boys were coming off a bad hangover when they flubbed the DCT vs MT test?

Damn, I'm glad I'm on your good side!

I could never post what I really want to say about the M3 or some of the people on this board. I would get my e-ass kicked.


On another, "self-aggrandizing" note (wait lemme look that werd up), I attended a Corvette Driving School with the Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter, who is mentioned in the article. Really nice, down to earth guy. And dammit... Tadge beat me by nearly 2 seconds around the track. Of course he was driving a C6 Z06 w/505HP and I was driving a C5 Z06 with 405HP. "hellllzzz yeah."

I had no idea the ZR1 was making that much HP! I guess I've only been paying attention to the German sport sedan comparos and forgot all about the "real" sports cars.....

[ruff]

Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck

Damn, I'm glad I'm on your good side!

I could never post what I really want to say about the M3 or some of the people on this board. I would get my e-ass kicked.


On another, "self-aggrandizing" note (wait lemme look that werd up), I attended a Corvette Driving School with the Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter, who is mentioned in the article. Really nice, down to earth guy. And dammit... Tadge beat me by nearly 2 seconds around the track. Of course he was driving a C6 Z06 w/505HP and I was driving a C5 Z06 with 405HP. "hellllzzz yeah."

I had no idea the ZR1 was making that much HP! I guess I've only been paying attention to the German sport sedan comparos and forgot all about the "real" sports cars.....

Hans,

Sir, who said you are on my good side. It is about time you started bragging to the world about your driving prowess. Word on the street and at the track is now officially out. Robert Plant is even clapping. Attempting to play the sleeper role from this point forward would be bad acting at best.

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by swamp2

Nope, but when it is about all you do, it does get awfully tiring.



Typical - the obvious is right there in front of you - smacking you on the back of the head and you still can't see it. 1. We rarely talk about Acura here, 2. The fellow who posted about the Acura is a solid, long term contributor of balanced information about M3s here at the forum.

Keep up the "good" work, C- for effort....

Got it, so you admit that you're just picking on me. In other words you're just bitter and as always just hating on anything that is not BMW. Very well then, keep up the "good" work yourself. A+ for being such a fanboy and a hater.

[GnokGnik]

Originally Posted by gbb357

Got it, so you admit that you're just picking on me. In other words you're just bitter and as always just hating on anything that is not BMW. Very well then, keep up the "good" work yourself. A+ for being such a fanboy and a hater.

Even though I haven't been on these boards for as long as most, I also noticed the defensive-nature of Swamp @ anything chipping @ the M3's godliness. Even if gbb357 is skeptical (which I doubt he is) or interested in other cars more so than the M3, it should be encouraged that he post his viewpoint. Otherwise this whole forum would become a circle-jerk.

[hellrotm]

It is the Vs. forum.

It is not always going to be about the M3.

+1 to GM, insane ring time.

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by GnokGnik

Even though I haven't been on these boards for as long as most, I also noticed the defensive-nature of Swamp @ anything chipping @ the M3's godliness. Even if gbb357 is skeptical (which I doubt he is) or interested in other cars more so than the M3, it should be encouraged that he post his viewpoint. Otherwise this whole forum would become a circle-jerk.

Thanks bro.

[BMW335icDDS]

Wow a 100k car beat a 70k GT-R. Wait till the 100K GT-R Vspec destroys the ZR-1, just like the GT-R destroys the Z06.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by BMW335icDDS

Wow a 100k car beat a 70k GT-R. Wait till the 100K GT-R Vspec destroys the ZR-1, just like the GT-R destroys the Z06.

Actually I don't think the GT-R Vspec will destroy it. Maybe couple seconds at best. The current GT-R Vspec time is only 1.4 seconds faster. Either way the ZR-1 is f'n quick. I believe we could be seeing a better time down the road for the ZR-1 also. You have to give them some kudos at least.


Man don't get the California, that thing is ugly. Looks like a womans Ferrari, the Miata Ferrari. Get the better looking, better performing F430.

[devo]

Originally Posted by BMW335icDDS

Wow a 100k car beat a 70k GT-R. Wait till the 100K GT-R Vspec destroys the ZR-1, just like the GT-R destroys the Z06.

That depends on how you define destroying. The GTR may take a couple of seconds out of the Z06 at some tracks, but won't likely fare so well against it from a rolling start street race.

The GTR doesn't have the gearing to be a top end king, nor the mid range power to beat the the 997tt or ZO6 in any meaningful in-gear run. The GTR has not won every 0-whatever contest, even with it's current superior launch control. Add PDK and another 20 ponies to the facelifted 997tt and things are going to change quickly. (The ZO6 and tt are in their third years of production.) Great technogically advanced car, but too heavy, sterile and ugly for me.

Same goes for the V Spec vs. ZR1. (My vote goes for the ZR1.) And, frankly, at the level that the average enthusiast tracks any of these cars, it won't matter. The street is where the bragging will stem from and it won't always favor the GTR.

I, like many others here and elsewhere on the planet of reason, believe that Nissan has greatly underrated the power of the GTR anyway. Whether they supplied ringers or underrated the power, it's still the same underhanded approach.

The ZR1 is going to absolutely eat the V Spec alive on the street; for the same money of course.

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by BMW335icDDS

Wow a 100k car beat a 70k GT-R. Wait till the 100K GT-R Vspec destroys the ZR-1, just like the GT-R destroys the Z06.

I really doubt that, but i guess we'll have to wait and see. BTW, very nice Porsche 911 you have there. I agree with Blackjete90, i'd rather have the F430 than the California. But then again, there might be a huge price difference. Don't know if that matters to you.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by GnokGnik

Even though I haven't been on these boards for as long as most, I also noticed the defensive-nature of Swamp @ anything chipping @ the M3's godliness. Even if gbb357 is skeptical (which I doubt he is) or interested in other cars more so than the M3, it should be encouraged that he post his viewpoint. Otherwise this whole forum would become a circle-jerk.

And it shows.

You obviously don't know much about me nor have you read much of my post history. I'm pretty vocal in my criticisms of both BMW and on the new M3. However, I do certainly have more praise than criticism. Heck I did buy the car and have had 2 M3s before this one. I must like them at least a bit.

[440hpe46]

Originally Posted by tfurban

Right. look at their stock price and outlook.

Your talking about financial outlook...

I'm talking about build philosophy...

[BRDHNTR]

I think this should be in the Non-BMW talk section, because the ZR-1 isn't comparable to the M3. The Chevy is a lot more expensive, and won't be as nice to drive everyday. Given those two flaws; it has to be better in some aspect, and so it is faster. If I all I cared about was speed, I would have spent $71K (after taxes) on a Z06 instead of the M3.

[BMW-videos.com]

Originally Posted by BMW335icDDS

Wow a 100k car beat a 70k GT-R. Wait till the 100K GT-R Vspec destroys the ZR-1, just like the GT-R destroys the Z06.

Uhh no, nice try though. The GTR will not even come close to destroying the z06. The z06 ring times are based on standing runs, not with nissans rolling start, and early finishes. Because Nissan can throw complete ringers on r-compound around the Nring faster than chevy just proves that it has shadier tactics not faster cars. The AWD drive debate is getting stupid old, and its pretty pathetic that people would actually think a 3800+IB car with 480hp is going to beat out a sub 3200 IB car, with 505hp and 470ish IB of torque.

For this to even be remotely possible, Nissan would have to be HUGELY underrating the GTR power output. While a wonderful tranny, computer may help the GTR improve its times for being such a bulky competitor, independent tests and other results are showing the GTR is far slower than thought.

I personally believe the Nissan GTR is a damn farce, just as its predecessor skyline (taking note of the magazine comments of those times - real letdown). Although i'm knocking on how fast it will be, I do believe the GTR will be a great car though, just as the ZR1 is.

And to those who think the ZR1 engine will not be reliable, I think there's a chance but you'll most likely be mistaken. There are several members on corvette-forum who have had the opportunity of driving a ZR1 around the track taking specific note of engine oil temperatures.

Here's a quote from an race car driver on CF, David Farmer.

"To my amazement, heat did not appear to be an issue. Similar laps for similar periods of time, oil and water temps were actually 15deg COOLER than my Z06.

The ZR1 has an integrated liquid intercooler with a heat exchanger mount below the radiator/oil cooler in the nose. It is difficult to see, and I'd love to see an expanded view of the part off of the car, but based on limited usage, the cooling system seems adequate at least.

There are ZR1's in the desert testing as we speak, so it appears they are taking cooling seriously. Time will tell.....

I did NOT do a standing start. With the taller gearing (closer ratios makes 1-3 taller), I imagine actual max acceleration to be similar to the Z06, although obviously limited by tires. I would anticipate 0-60 times on identical tired cars to be similar, with the ZR1 really blasting off once you hit 3rd gear."