FCP Euro

[ItsGary]

Originally Posted by aswy6

But how do they make money? I mean, do any of track guys take advantage of this? Free rotors seems to be too good to be true lol

A lot of the parts people buy are one time replacements. Also take into affect that when shipping parts back there is a chance of the shipping company to lose your mail.

Originally Posted by roastbeef

they are legit. their prices are slightly higher for parts than ecs tuning, turner, etc.. probably half the way they keep in business with this business model is people forget or put it off until they don't care.

That depends. Most items do have a slightly higher price but not all.

IE; PreCat O2s were cheaper on FCP than ECS. Approx $10USD.

[aswy6]

Originally Posted by dparm

There is no comparison between a PFC DD rotor and the OEM/OEM equivalent stuff FCP sells. The PFC rotor is going to cool massively better and handle hard track use for a long time before it needs replacement.

And yes, the OEM rotors would be covered if you tracked them:
https://www.fcpeuro.com/page/lifetime-guarantee

How many track days would you think they will hold? (beginner level) and how many sets of brake pads will they survive? (PFC 11 equivalent or whatever their streetable version is)

[dparm]

Originally Posted by aswy6

How many track days would you think they will hold? (beginner level) and how many sets of brake pads will they survive? (PFC 11 equivalent or whatever their streetable version is)

You'll probably get more info if you look in the track forum. I know there are guys that are using the same set for 20-30 events.

PFC11 is a track pad and will consume rotors faster on the street (abrasive friction mode instead of adhesive friction mode).

They'll run a lot cooler than the OEM rotors which is going to make a measurable difference. Consumable costs will go down, but the performance will be better than OEM on the track.

[aswy6]

Originally Posted by dparm

You'll probably get more info if you look in the track forum. I know there are guys that are using the same set for 20-30 events.

PFC11 is a track pad and will consume rotors faster on the street (abrasive friction mode instead of adhesive friction mode).

They'll run a lot cooler than the OEM rotors which is going to make a measurable difference. Consumable costs will go down, but the performance will be better than OEM on the track.

20-30 events on a track pad? Might start with replacing rear rotors for now and chose the PFC in favor free replacement from FCP.

[Grip Addict]

how old are they?

I feel like I have only heard of FCP Euro in the last year?

[vincE92M3]

I've been using them for most my parts now. Haven't gotten to use the warranty yet, but their prices are quite competitive with the free s/h anyhow.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by aswy6

20-30 events on a track pad? Might start with replacing rear rotors for now and chose the PFC in favor free replacement from FCP.

Sorry, I meant 20-30 track days on a single set of rotors. Pad longevity will vary greatly based on your driving skill, the tracks you frequent, tires, the pad compound itself, etc.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by Grip Addict

how old are they?

I feel like I have only heard of FCP Euro in the last year?

https://www.fcpeuro.com/page/the-fcp-story

They've been around in some form since the 80s, but I would say that they have been making a big push lately to eat into sales from the big guys like ECS/Turner, Tischer, etc.

[Grip Addict]

Originally Posted by dparm

https://www.fcpeuro.com/page/the-fcp-story

They've been around in some form since the 80s, but I would say that they have been making a big push lately to eat into sales from the big guys like ECS/Turner, Tischer, etc.

or alternatively it is a "if we do not do something nuts, we will go bankrupt" push

[derbo]

I plan to use their Lifetime Warranty on the Oil since they boast about it so much. I'm buying basically any maintenance items from them. I plan to order Castrol SRF from them and replace it annually with my oil.

[New2Roundel]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

their prices are slightly higher for parts than ecs tuning, turner, etc.. probably half the way they keep in business with this business model is people forget or put it off until they don't care.

That's not universally true however. Their OEM BMW parts have typically been cheaper than ECS--I've been buying wheel speed sensors like they're going out of style recently and have directly compared the two. Plus I have found the shipping to be a little cheaper with FCP.

[nycplumber]

Originally Posted by ItsGary

A lot of the parts people buy are one time replacements. Also take into affect that when shipping parts back there is a chance of the shipping company to lose your mail.



That depends. Most items do have a slightly higher price but not all.

IE; PreCat O2s were cheaper on FCP than ECS. Approx $10USD.

Which parts are one time replacements? Are rotors?

[Powashiftin]

If it hasn't been said before, I believe they price match as well. I've purchased parts from them and they've been great. Haven't had to return anything yet under their warranty though.

[Ab28]

Originally Posted by nycplumber

Which parts are one time replacements? Are rotors?

Nothing they sell is only a one time replacement.

He means that many parts an owner will buy (except consumables) don't need to be replaced more than once. If a window motor goes out, you probably won't find yourself replacing it again.

You can buy and return rotors 50x if necessary.

[smyles]

I just hope those who return their used oil won't ruin it for the rest of us.

[derbo]

Originally Posted by smyles

I just hope those who return their used oil won't ruin it for the rest of us.

I don't see how that would "ruin" it for everyone else. They have a model so they understand how it affects their business. They have been around for awhile now and people said they wouldn't last.


Hell, they even made a youtube video how to do it.

[XKxRome0ox]

it's possible that someone tries to game the system and return oil from not just one car but multiple cars that use the same oil and filter
how can FCP tell for sure? i have no idea
they probably can't
but if people started returning engine oil kits every month or 2, then FCP might put limitations on the policy
that'd screw it up for everyone

that's just one possibility i can think of

[vincE92M3]

Originally Posted by XKxRome0ox

it's possible that someone tries to game the system and return oil from not just one car but multiple cars that use the same oil and filter
how can FCP tell for sure? i have no idea
they probably can't
but if people started returning engine oil kits every month or 2, then FCP might put limitations on the policy
that'd screw it up for everyone

that's just one possibility i can think of

That's a lot of work...

Personally, it feels kinda wrong to send back these sorts of consumable items like oil and filters.

Does anyone else feel this way? I can understand the warranty for sensors or other parts, but oil??

That being said, I had my TAs replaced under warranty but should they go out again, I will def buy replacements from FCP Euro!

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by vincE92M3

That's a lot of work...

Personally, it feels kinda wrong to send back these sorts of consumable items like oil and filters.

Does anyone else feel this way? I can understand the warranty for sensors or other parts, but oil??

That being said, I had my TAs replaced under warranty but should they go out again, I will def buy replacements from FCP Euro!

There's money to be made in the recycling of stuff! I get paid for someone to come and pick up my scrap for me. I'd be curious if the FCP guys have another business under another name that recycles.

[vincE92M3]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

There's money to be made in the recycling of stuff! I get paid for someone to come and pick up my scrap for me. I'd be curious if the FCP guys have another business under another name that recycles.

Interesting! Mind sharing info on who comes to pick up your consumables?

I've been recycling my oil at Advanced Auto Parts. They've been making a fortune off of me! Haha

[Ab28]

Originally Posted by XKxRome0ox

it's possible that someone tries to game the system and return oil from not just one car but multiple cars that use the same oil and filter
how can FCP tell for sure? i have no idea
they probably can't
but if people started returning engine oil kits every month or 2, then FCP might put limitations on the policy
that'd screw it up for everyone

that's just one possibility i can think of

As mentioned above that's a lot of work. Not many people are willing to drain their old oil, pack it up, and drive it to the post office (and pay return shipping). Only the DIYers would be in for this anyway. I doubt my Indy Mechanic would be willing to fill up the old bottles...wouldn't even ask to be honest. Not for $80 of product.

I'm pretty sure FCP doesn't even run into this problem. Otherwise they'd more than likely have a policy where fluids couldn't be returned more than 2-3x per year for the same car.

For something like oil I just don't do it often enough to make a return worth it.

If it were something really hurting them it simply wouldn't be offered.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by vincE92M3

Interesting! Mind sharing info on who comes to pick up your consumables?

I've been recycling my oil at Advanced Auto Parts. They've been making a fortune off of me! Haha

Sorry I should have specified. I mean at my plant (work), I get paid for someone to come and pick up our "scrap." Aluminum, copper, steel, all that jazz. There's a huge business in recycling goods. Those rotors aren't light!