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03-25-2009, 02:34 PM | #1 |
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KW3 vs TC Kline smart design
Looking to buy coilover for e92 M3. I'm leaning toward TCK but have no experience with either TCK or KW. Anyone care to chime in with their experience and pros/cons of each. Both are priced ~$2,400. I don't have EDC to worry about.
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03-25-2009, 05:36 PM | #3 |
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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03-25-2009, 11:04 PM | #5 |
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If I'm not mistaken, KW still utilizes progressive springs vs. linear springs (as seen in TCK and GC). Progressive springs aren't necessarily a negative, however if you want to autox/HPDE/track your car, the overwhelming consensus that I've seen on numerous forums is to go with the linear spring setup due to how they behave at the limit. Progressives can be more forgiving on the street due to the soft nature of the initial travel, however this shouldn't be an issue if you have quality dampers.
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I would be all over it , but i am waiting for their EDC version which should be out some time this year |
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03-26-2009, 01:11 PM | #10 |
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I got quoted $800 for the install/alignment/corner balance. That's not bad at all.
Anyone know the difference between the two systems they have for our cars?
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03-30-2009, 10:01 PM | #15 |
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It is a good question. Both are evenly matched but there are few things that might sway me.
First the TC Kline requires camber plates so add 550.00+ to the price. At this point we might as well consider the KW Clubsport against the TC Kline. • Camber Plates: TC camber plates are fixed perches which are a really bad design and they will get noisy in weeks. The KW camber plates are a well design ball and thrust bearing camber plates from an engineering perspective and they are noise free which is not same harshness free. Most importantly, the KW’s have the correct stack height. The unique feature in KW plates is it allows for radial compliance at the thrust bearing which reduces binding. • Valving: Both dampers are very capable but KW does get the win on their high speed compression damping…this system can be compared Moton or a like. The KW might feel a bit smother over the rough stuff for day to day driving but the Koni’s can be setup the same with some effort. • Spring: Both systems can use mostly anyway spring rate you want. Just because you have KW doesn’t mean you’re stuck with what you get in any way as they have a very large tuning range. KW 61 mm race springs are bar none the top in the industry and comparable to Swift springs (I can’t say that about KW v3 springs however). The TC VVS springs are okay but not the best. The nice thing about TC setup you are not locked into any configuration. This might be how I would take the systems: KW Clubsport: • Change the front spring rate to 400 lb/in TC: • KW or GC camber plates • Swift spring and thrust sheets. Rates: F 400 lb/in R: 800 lb/in • KW EDC suppression system if needed. For me the camber plates are the deal breaker. If I was lazy I got for the KW and order the extra spring fro 160.00. The TC system requires more sourcing but would be worth it. Price is a wash since they are so close in the end. I didn’t recommend any one system but maybe this helps. Orb Last edited by Orb; 03-31-2009 at 11:38 PM.. |
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Source? I had TCKs on my e46 M3 and know at least a dozen others with the same D/A kits with zero issue. One of my close friends has had his on his car for 50k miles without so much as a peep from the camber plates.
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If you look at the KW camber plates they address every single important issue. The have seals, spherical bearing, thrust bearing and had forethought of allowing the spring preach to float to reduce bending load on the shaft which in turns reduces a considerable amount of friction in strut design. Its all good and then some. If the plates work for you then buy them but it will not change a well know documented issue with this design. I would also question what you call acceptable NVH but this is subject in its own right. Orb |
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This is correct. The camber plates should have a separate load path for the spring perch. Ground Control also has a very good design, but I'm not sure if it's applicable to the e9x M3. Call them and ask.
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So what's the main difference between the KW ClubSports and V3?
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