USAirways flight goes down in the hudson river

[bmstyle71]

Originally Posted by pmeloche

You rotate at V1. Aren't you supposed to rotate at Vr? Or maybe the calculated Vr for this flight was equal to V1? V1 is supposed to be the speed at which the pilot decides a GO/NOGO for takeoff.

Anyway, congratulations to the pilots who saved everyone on that flight.

The calculated Vr was 2 knots higher than V1. I quote myself "As soon as he says v1 rotate". Saying 'rotate' is Vr. You doubting me man? lol

[Blake]

Originally Posted by F104

I find the reporting a bit OTT though, this plane has been floating for 20 minutes with vessels around it, and it was suggested people were still inside?

well i'm watching the reports live on CNN and they've confirmed that everyone survived with minimal injuries. the flying that happened in the seconds before the crash is nothing short of stunning. there is an eyewitness report that's live on CNN now, he said the pilots had a great nose up attitude and had the wings perfectly level. he just revealed that he is a private pilot himself. the proof is in the accident, the plane is still intact, no cartwheeling, no serious injuries, and everyone survived.

[RedGT3]

What airplane you guys fly and who do you work for? I will go first Jetblue A320

[RedGT3]

Originally Posted by pmeloche

You rotate at V1. Aren't you supposed to rotate at Vr? Or maybe the calculated Vr for this flight was equal to V1? V1 is supposed to be the speed at which the pilot decides a GO/NOGO for takeoff.

Anyway, congratulations to the pilots who saved everyone on that flight.

Not saying this is the case but on some smaller turbo props V1 and VR are the same speed

[Blake]

i've right seated in various corp jets, but primarily GLF4's and GLF5's. flew for my uncle out of KADS and kept it domestic. don't fly for them anymore, i'm on the ground....for now.

[Blake]

reports say it hit geese those are some big birds with big beaks! (for those who don't know, the beak is what does the most damage. the engine can vaporize the meat and feathers.)

[Greeney]

Vaporization is a very cool thing I must add.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Greeney

Vaporization is a very cool thing I must add.

indeed sir

[Nate2046]

Originally Posted by bmstyle71

pilotS.** lol

We all know you're just over there to pull the gear for us

I took one or two small birds into the #1 engine right at rotation a few years ago in CVG. Did some major damage to the fan. I can't imagine flying into a 'flock' of something large.

Big to those pilots

cool F16 vs bird video;

[I335]

This is a very easy problem to resolve and I can't believe it hasn't been done already. Why don't they just put signs on the runway that say "NO BIRDS", duh!...

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Nate2046

cool F16 vs bird video;
http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/006426.html

i've never seen that one before.

[RedGT3]

Old video 757 vs bird

[oldaccount]

fun fact: the owner of my company was on that plane.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by fll335

Old video 757 vs bird

i've seen that video before. gives me chills. that's a scary situation to be in...low, slow, and heavy with an engine out.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Suareezay

fun fact: the owner of my company was on that plane.

details!

[SoYank]

Originally Posted by its ray den

chicken wire over the air inlet of the jet sounds like a possible solution.

Doubt these were chickens.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by its ray den

chicken wire over the air inlet of the jet sounds like a possible solution.

i hope you weren't being serious.

[e46e92love]

Its why you need to stick to the 777, something the airbuses, not even the 340 can compete with: engines that can shred through more than 100lbs of bird meat with no worries mates

If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going

Cheers,
e46e92

[Blake]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

Its why you need to stick to the 777, something the airbuses, not even the 340 can compete with: engines that can shred through more than 100lbs of bird meat with no worries mates

If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going

Cheers,
e46e92

the engines aren't made by airbus. they're actually made by a company called international aero engines. international aero engines are actually a joint venture of a few major engine manufacturers including pratt & whitney and rolls-royce, who both make engines for the 777. this isn't a blemish to anyone's record really, it's something that, in reality, is prone to happen. almost 100% of the time, a bird in a jet engine is going to result in engine failure. this USAir flight just happened to be that even rarer statistic of getting a bird in both engines resulting in failure. shit happens, it's good that everyone is remarkably unscathed. all that said, boeing FTW!

[NoKids]

Hello passengers this is your captain speaking
We seem to have lost both our engines due to a flock of seagulls
Frankly I never cared too much for their music

Anyhow, put your tray up, and fasten your seatbelt.
I've never had to make an emergency landing before,
but I did stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night.

[Blake]

lol@bird strike on a C172 wing strut

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by Blake

the engines aren't made by airbus. they're actually made by a company called international aero engines. international aero engines are actually a joint venture of a few major engine manufacturers including pratt & whitney and rolls-royce, who both make engines for the 777. this isn't a blemish to anyone's record really, it's something that, in reality, is prone to happen. almost 100% of the time, a bird in a jet engine is going to result in engine failure. this USAir flight just happened to be that even rarer statistic of getting a bird in both engines resulting in failure. shit happens, it's good that everyone is remarkably unscathed. all that said, boeing FTW!

I am fully aware of the the fact that airplane manufacturers don't make their own engines, but its the specs that they ask the manufacturer to achieve is where the importance lies. Remember, Airbus are the idiots whose software logic has led to two crashes of their test aircraft. Remember when Airbus found out that their A320 was better at trimming trees then flying?

Boeing's logic never, ever, ever had the ability over rule the pilot. Airbus decided that a computer knows best; only took Airbus one airplane and two dead test pilots to release they screwed the pooch on that one

The only manufacturer as dumb as Airbus is the old McDonald Douglas. First, they lose a DC-10 because they thought it was wise to have all hydraulic lines converge through the top of the fuselage running right under engine number 2, thus when engine number 2 had a catastrophic fan blade failure that ripped through the skin of the engine and into the fuselage on United Flight 232 all of her hydraulic power went dead, forcing the crew to do something that has never been duplicated: use differential power on engines 1 & 3 to steer the plan, only crashing at the very end but saving most on board. Brilliant idea: lets converge ALL HYDRAULIC lines under engine #2. Morons.

Of course, McDonald Douglas wasn't done there. No, as we found out on AA Flight 191, when she lost engine #1 and it fell the f*ck off (that in itself is retarded), it tore out part of the wing, rather than have a slot locking mechanism (as boeing has) to lock the flaps in place, MD in their infinite wisdom didn't, so the engine fell, hydraulic pressure plumeted and the flaps went to a full 30 degree extension, causing the left wing to stall, thus leading to one of America's worst airplane crashes/disasters.

So, like i said, if it ain't boeing, I ain't going.....

Cheers,
e46e92