STOP TALKING ABOUT 335i vs M3 FFS !!

[mahmud///M]

I dont understand why torque is such a "wanted" thing?

It's been proven over and over that low end torque doesn't make the car faster than a car lacking low end torque.

Look at the 2012 C63 coupe vs 2012 M3...the C has more than 160lb•ft of torque yet yielded the same 2-60 times (rolling start sprint). And the M still won every test against the merc. I think we all want torque, myself included, but saying that the 335 is a better daily driver because of low end torque is bullshit. Or that it's better on gas?

Do you think the 335 is some sort of Prius, then when u get on the loud pedal it all of a sudden becomes both? LOL that's the best of both worlds, and I'm pretty sure BMW wouldn't give the "best of both worlds" to the lower 3er model. I don't care which car is better. I like my M3, the next guy over likes his 335. End of story people. Move On with your lives

[mahmud///M]

Edit^^^"Do you think the 335 is some sort of Prius, then when u get on the loud pedal it all of a sudden becomes a beast"

[Ateam]

You can pound the concept of torque and horsepower into people but some cannot see past the "torque is what accelerates you and power is what keeps you going" concept which is nonsense. I have given up trying to enlighten folks.

I used to not understand how people could not grasp this with a crystal clear example of an F1 car with less than 275 foot pounds of torque but 800 hp or whatever. Is the 335 faster than F1 car because it has nore torque? Of course not yet people do not even seem to grasp this difference and start commenting its due to the weight of the car and other excuses so I gave up that examnple too!

Bottom line is anyone driving a 335 would rather be driving an m3 but cannot afford it so they justify the hell out of why the 335 is better. If you understand that I cannot fault them I guess but at the end of the day they have a 335 and we have an m3

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by Ateam

You can pound the concept of torque and horsepower into people but some cannot see past the "torque is what accelerates you and power is what keeps you going" concept which is nonsense. I have given up trying to enlighten folks.

I used to not understand how people could not grasp this with a crystal clear example of an F1 car with less than 275 foot pounds of torque but 800 hp or whatever. Is the 335 faster than F1 car because it has nore torque? Of course not yet people do not even seem to grasp this difference and start commenting its due to the weight of the car and other excuses so I gave up that examnple too!

Bottom line is anyone driving a 335 would rather be driving an m3 but cannot afford it so they justify the hell out of why the 335 is better. If you understand that I cannot fault them I guess but at the end of the day they have a 335 and we have an m3

OK Mr. Money Bags.

I am willing to bet that between my 335i, my parking garage in Manhattan, my wife's Jaguar XKR that is garaged at our home in Florida, my track membership and my track car my yearly automobile related expenses are at least 5 times what yours are.

As I have stated here before, people that think that everyone drives the most expensive car they can afford tend to be driving the most expensive car they can afford.



CA

[klammer]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

OK Mr. Money Bags.

I am willing to bet that between my 335i, my parking garage in Manhattan, my wife's Jaguar XKR that is garaged at our home in Florida, my track membership and my track car my yearly automobile related expenses are at least 5 times what yours are.

As I have stated here before, people that think that everyone drives the most expensive car they can afford tend to be driving the most expensive car they can afford.



CA

Way to miss the point, and tell everyone how well off you are....

[saeedg48]

word.

[mahmud///M]

Originally Posted by klammer

Way to miss the point, and tell everyone how well off you are....

[brava09]

As for the 335i being better on the gas than M3, my board computer showed the same average consumption in my M3 just as in my 335i.

If one drives these two cars as they should be driven, then the gas consumption is pretty much similar.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by klammer

Way to miss the point, and tell everyone how well off you are....

I am not the one that said that everyone driving a 335i really wants an M3 but can't afford one.

We have two incomes, no mortgage payments, and no children to support or educate and are in a position in life where we can indulge certain passions.

I also would never make a post that states that everyone really wants a car like mine but can't afford it.

CA

[klammer]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

I am not the one that said that everyone driving a 335i really wants an M3 but can't afford one.

We have two incomes, no mortgage payments, and no children to support or educate and are in a position in life where we can indulge certain passions.

I also would never make a post that states that everyone really wants a car like mine but can't afford it.

CA

But you reacted to the statement, and missed the point. This is the problem today in modern society, people only see what they want to see and react to something they're "offended" by... It was a general statement, don't take it personally, and one, as much as YOU disagree, that probably has some truth in it, even if it doesn't apply to YOU. Enjoy you're life, I know I am

[JulieDriving]

I think there's no need to make statements that make sweeping generalizations that are false and paint one party as inferior (e.g. "not rich enough to afford", etc.).

Would comments like that be made to others in real life? Or are comments different when people can hide behind computer aliases?

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by brava09

As for the 335i being better on the gas than M3, my board computer showed the same average consumption in my M3 just as in my 335i.

If one drives these two cars as they should be driven, then the gas consumption is pretty much similar.

That's not true at all. I used to drive my N54 135i hard all the time. I averaged 18mpg. Since the M3 is a lot louder, I drive the car very civil 98% of the time and I average 15mpg. Our N55 335i averages around 24-25 mpg. There's a big difference in gas mileage.

[armyav8tor]

Wow, I remembered this thread from years ago. The 335i is a great daily driver but it doesn't stand a chance against the M3 as far as the driving experience that the M3 is capable of providing. If you don't visit the track and just drive the car like 99% of the population then the 335i is a much better choice than the M3. But I've put about 25 laps on the Ring with the 335i and about 50 with the M3 and the difference is night and day. This is the one and only Naturally aspirated V8 M3, I've had this car since 2008 and I'm going to be buried in it. As the title says, the 335i and M3 are completely different animals and there is no point trying to justify one over the other. I'll say that a real driver will choose a M3 over a 335i any day. That's my opinion, get over it. But then here come the purists with the 6spd over M-DCT debate... LOL. What the heck, I'll pick the M-DCT over the 6spd manual every time because the 6spd sucked in the 335i and it sucked in the M3 I test drove. :P I'll post in this thread in a few years and say the same shit again....

[klammer]

Originally Posted by armyav8tor

Wow, I remembered this thread from years ago. The 335i is a great daily driver but it doesn't stand a chance against the M3 as far as the driving experience that the M3 is capable of providing. If you don't visit the track and just drive the car like 99% of the population then the 335i is a much better choice than the M3. But I've put about 25 laps on the Ring with the 335i and about 50 with the M3 and the difference is night and day. This is the one and only Naturally aspirated V8 M3, I've had this car since 2008 and I'm going to be buried in it. As the title says, the 335i and M3 are completely different animals and there is no point trying to justify one over the other. I'll say that a real driver will choose a M3 over a 335i any day. That's my opinion, get over it. But then here come the purists with the 6spd over M-DCT debate... LOL. What the heck, I'll pick the M-DCT over the 6spd manual every time because the 6spd sucked in the 335i and it sucked in the M3 I test drove. :P I'll post in this thread in a few years and say the same shit again....

[klammer]

Originally Posted by JulieDriving

I think there's no need to make statements that make sweeping generalizations that are false and paint one party as inferior (e.g. "not rich enough to afford", etc.).

Would comments like that be made to others in real life? Or are comments different when people can hide behind computer aliases?

I am no different behind the keyboard or in person. Ask anyone who's met me... I will say what I think is right, but then again, don't think your comment was addressed to me as I too try to avoid sweeping generalizations as they tend to lead to.....

[IFX]

guys idk what to pick, 335 or M3?

Which is faster?

[eisenb11]

Originally Posted by IFX

guys idk what to pick, 335 or M3?

Which is faster?

The 335 is faster, buy that. The M3 is just a rebadged and marked up 328 - it's a big practical joke on stupid people! If you don't buy the 335 you lose the entire Internets!

[snowmants]

Originally Posted by klammer

Way to miss the point, and tell everyone how well off you are....

[Ateam]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

OK Mr. Money Bags.

I am willing to bet that between my 335i, my parking garage in Manhattan, my wife's Jaguar XKR that is garaged at our home in Florida, my track membership and my track car my yearly automobile related expenses are at least 5 times what yours are.

As I have stated here before, people that think that everyone drives the most expensive car they can afford tend to be driving the most expensive car they can afford.



CA

Ok so your the exception. There is always one random exception in the crowd-congrats! If you do not think 95 percent of 335 owners would not get an m3 if they could afford it than you are in the dark. Every damn rule has an exception.

Also its a bit different if you own 5 cars and a track membership etc etc. Clearly you are not the average 335 owners to instead of flexiing your net worth, realize you are not better and worse than me making the similar comment. All you are is bragging about what you own. Talk about hypocracy

[brava09]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

That's not true at all. I used to drive my N54 135i hard all the time. I averaged 18mpg. Since the M3 is a lot louder, I drive the car very civil 98% of the time and I average 15mpg. Our N55 335i averages around 24-25 mpg. There's a big difference in gas mileage.

13 mpg for both 335i and M3 in my case....

[brava09]

Revving over 5k rpm most of the time

[IFX]

Originally Posted by username11

I drive the car pretty hard, shift at redline daily, 50/50 city/highway, never shift above 4th around town, and have 17.5mpg on average for the last 8000 miles.

Had 18.5mpg in a 335 for a few months. Difference in mpg is negligible considering how much more fun the M3 is to drive.

My car is completely stock. If you are getting 13-15mpg and are not driving the car >5K rpm everywhere might be worth taking it in for service or make sure your mods have not fucked up the aerodynamics.

According to the EPA, there is about a $656 pr yr. difference between the M3 and 335i in terms of fuel economy. If $656 per year is a deciding factor in choosing an automobile then you probably shouldn't be looking to buy a new car at all.

no offense, but if you drive city and don't rev pas 4k, your definitely not driving "pretty hard" i redline pretty much anywhere.