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      10-27-2021, 03:47 PM   #23
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I have had 6 Camaro's, my last was a 18' SS 1LE. Dynamically it is really as good as any current car under $100k. This is not an exaggeration, the car is simply amazing to drive hard. I am older now and need more from a car than just driving dynamics. You said it best, if a sunroof makes it better, then go for it! I simply did not like driving it for that very reason, however mine did not have a sunroof. The E9x are great cars, but their chassis is simply not as good. Prior to my M2cs I had a ESS 625 M3 so I am familiar with the E9x.


How does your m2 CS compare to the 18 ss 1le you had? I have read the m2 CS is incredible. Is yours a manual or dual clutch?
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How does your m2 CS compare to the 18 ss 1le you had? I have read the m2 CS is incredible. Is yours a manual or dual clutch?
Good question. Handling the M2cs is as good as the SS1LE, or you could say the SS1LE is as good as the M2cs. The M2cs is a little faster.

The SS1LE was a mind blowingly good performance car. Search all the reviews on YouTube as they pertain to its performance, all are true. Also read listen to all of the reviews pertaining to the visibility, also true. I owned a highly modified 5th gen Camaro SS (FBO and cam) and it was less confining than the 6th gen. I simply did not like to be in the 6th gen. The M2cs is literally the perfect size car and is a wonderful place the be.

As purely a performance car for the money, the SS1LE is VERY hard to beat.

The M2cs checks all the boxes for me, there is currently no other car I would rather have.
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Good question. Handling the M2cs is as good as the SS1LE, or you could say the SS1LE is as good as the M2cs. The M2cs is a little faster.

The SS1LE was a mind blowingly good performance car. Search all the reviews on YouTube as they pertain to its performance, all are true. Also read listen to all of the reviews pertaining to the visibility, also true. I owned a highly modified (FBO and cam) and it was less confining than the 6th gen. I simply did not like to be it it. The M2cs is literally the perfect size car and is a wonderful place the be.

As purely a performance car for the money, the SS1LE is VERY hard to beat.

The M2cs checks all the boxes for me, there is currently no other car I would rather have.

Wow sounds amazing. Would love to drive a M2Cs or even a competition. Never had the chance!!! Thanks for sharing. You are a lucky man to have driven such awesome cars. Another car I would love to get, if ever created, is the new Supra but with a Manual and T Top. If that ever comes out I think I would be tempted to buy that or atleast go test drive!!
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Wow sounds amazing. Would love to drive a M2Cs or even a competition. Never had the chance!!! Thanks for sharing. You are a lucky man to have driven such awesome cars. Another car I would love to get, if ever created, is the new Supra but with a Manual and T Top. If that ever comes out I think I would be tempted to buy that or atleast go test drive!!
I do feel lucky to have owned such cars. There have been many more as well. I have never been a fan of cars with 2 seats and I am a manual guy so cars like Supra (don't care for the looks), Corvette Z06, Cayman GT4, etc. are out.

My last four cars have been top of the food chain performance levels, the SS 1LE and M2CS are both very good at what they were intended to do.
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I edited my post (#24) for clarity. Looks like I did not proof read before I replied.
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I wonder what the new Caddy CT4 Blackwing would be like eith a manual? So its on the alpha chassis. Twin turbo. Sedan. Ever driven one?
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Anyone have a convertible? I want my next project to be one (Sunny Florida) and I had a black ZL1 vert rumble by me one day and it made a lasting impression.
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I wonder what the new Caddy CT4 Blackwing would be like eith a manual? So its on the alpha chassis. Twin turbo. Sedan. Ever driven one?
Nothing against the Caddy, however something about the styling doesn't work for me. I have read good things, just not for me...
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Good question. Handling the M2cs is as good as the SS1LE, or you could say the SS1LE is as good as the M2cs. The M2cs is a little faster.

The SS1LE was a mind blowingly good performance car. Search all the reviews on YouTube as they pertain to its performance, all are true. Also read listen to all of the reviews pertaining to the visibility, also true. I owned a highly modified 5th gen Camaro SS (FBO and cam) and it was less confining than the 6th gen. I simply did not like to be in the 6th gen. The M2cs is literally the perfect size car and is a wonderful place the be.

As purely a performance car for the money, the SS1LE is VERY hard to beat.

The M2cs checks all the boxes for me, there is currently no other car I would rather have.
So knowing these platforms as well as you do - For a non-daily (weekend/occasional track car) what would be your pick between an 18-19 SS 1LE vs a M2 Comp? Both manual...?
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So knowing these platforms as well as you do - For a non-daily (weekend/occasional track car) what would be your pick between an 18-19 SS 1LE vs a M2 Comp? Both manual...?
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Between the two, the SS1LE has a better chassis and suspension (stock for stock). If the emphasis is on faster lap times, likely most big tracks would favor the SS. Perhaps tighter tracks would level the playing field a bit. The higher speed stability is where the SS really shines.

The comp is probably 9/10 of the camaro stock but can be made better with a more sorted suspension (enter M2cs). The M2cs suspension settles the car down a bit, so I would expect a good set of coilovers would do the same.

If money is not a factor and fun on track is the most important characteristic then the M2c would be my choice. They will both can make you giggle and get you in trouble on the street. We are comparing cars with enormous ability, much higher than can be safely exploited on the street. Both are similar in speed.

There is no comparison when it comes to which car you would rather be in. The BMW is just a perfect mix of old school and modern tech, the camaro is definitely the best GM has done with the nameplate. For the record I have had 6 camaro Z28/SS's so I should know.

I know this is a BMW site, but I have been as unbiased as possible. I grew up with camaro's and they have a special place in my heart.

In short M2c all day... Sorry GM, we had a good run...
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Test drove one of these the other day. I was absolutely blown away, went ahead and ordered one and am contemplating selling my m3. I have had mustangs too, even a gt350, the camaro blew it away in my opinion. It's the torque and the manliness of it, also the low seating position. All in all, I was very surprised and impressed and don't think the camaro should be compared to a mustang, being a 911 owner it reminded me more of that than a mustang. Incredibly impressed. Anyone else have any experience with a camaro?

I ordered mine with a sunroof as the test car did not have one. It was very claustrophobic. I would never buy a camaro without a sunroof. Felt like a submarine or cough coffin cough without a sunroof but still all that instant torque, sound, incredible handling, the ELSD, wow. I have never been this excited to drive any car.

I think it also has to do with the price and maintenance. Something about being able to pick up oil and a filter at walmart for 60 bucks and have service done at an honest chevy dealer is a breath a fresh air. VERY VERY impressed. Go order one before they stop making them! May be last year, 2023 is not confirmed as of yet!!
Enjoy the ride!

I picked up the budget V8 LT1 trim as a daily with the A10. The acceleration is in another league compared to the E92. Even without the eLSD, mag ride, and bigger brakes of 1LE my LT1 is a weapon. Driving position is excellent. The body motions are well controlled without a harsh ride, the steering is quick and natural, balance is neutral, and brakes are strong/progressive. I'm sure a 1LE is even more of a riot- but if you aren't tracking it, 1LE is overkill for the street. And it gets 30mpg on the highway. What more can you want! The 6 gen Camaros kick ass. First time I drove the e92 after the camaro I thought the bmw was broken due to the lack of torque.

Cons for the camaro are the usability, the back seats are not for humans and the visibility isnt great, if you have driven more exotic cars it wont be an issue. The truck has decent space but the opening is awkwardly small. The BMW interior is better but the chevy isnt bad considering the price and amazing performance.
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