Powerchip Stage 3

[jimmyeatsworld]

Originally Posted by mixja

I got just over 360WHP today on a MAHA dyno. Unfortunately something wasn't right with the settings and at redline the dyno was calculating RPMs around 7700RPM so the calculated power from the dyno was out (so the dyno was saying the car was making around 330WHP). We assumed 7700RPM = 8300RPM which gave a figure of just over 360WHP with the car making 230lbft of torque at the wheels at redline

I am awaiting the data files and will post up the numbers...

Of course without the stock dyno I can't say exactly what the gains are but MAHA dynos are known to read very low and the absolute figures are similar to what Powerchip Australia saw (around 320WHP vs 360WHP on Dyno Dynamics).

Let's be honest.

That did not help the cause.

[xxe92xx]

ok i was bored so i did some math

414=crank horsepower
15% drive train loss=62.1

STOCK: 414 - 15%= 351.9(352)rwhp

then

MAHA: 360rwhp + 15% = 422.1

so according to your MAHA results that is not much of a gain at all BUT real world results will obviously be different and I have no knowledge about a MAHA dyno except that BMW uses it...

the best way to do this is run a stock car, then a stock car with powerchip stage 1, then stage 3...theres gotta be a bigger gain than that 360rwhp

[bigpuna]

Originally Posted by mixja

I got just over 360WHP today on a MAHA dyno. Unfortunately something wasn't right with the settings and at redline the dyno was calculating RPMs around 7700RPM so the calculated power from the dyno was out (so the dyno was saying the car was making around 330WHP). We assumed 7700RPM = 8300RPM which gave a figure of just over 360WHP with the car making 230lbft of torque at the wheels at redline

I am awaiting the data files and will post up the numbers...

Of course without the stock dyno I can't say exactly what the gains are but MAHA dynos are known to read very low and the absolute figures are similar to what Powerchip Australia saw (around 320WHP vs 360WHP on Dyno Dynamics).

MAHA dyno's are very accurate. They dont read low they just dont read as high as dyno's with very little load or dyno's that can be "adjusted" by the operator. Also without a baseline this test is of 0 value. If you want to properly test the software do a baseline on the dyno then flash the car and dyno again.

[xxe92xx]

Originally Posted by bigpuna

MAHA dyno's are very accurate. They dont read low they just dont read as high as dyno's with very little load or dyno's that can be "adjusted" by the operator. Also without a baseline this test is of 0 value. If you want to properly test the software do a baseline on the dyno then flash the car and dyno again.

yeah we need that baseline on the MAHA ideally everything should be done same day...stock run then stage 3 run

[mixja]

I am total in agreement that dynos are best used a reference measurement tool. I would have done a stock baseline on the MAHA dyno but it has only just been setup in New Zealand.

I previously got almost 370WHP on a Dynapack dyno stock (in 2nd gear)...I should probably go back to that dyno however we could never get the car past 2nd gear. Seems you need to trigger ABS sensor fault somehow to get it to work, the ABS fault triggered immediately on the MAHA dyno...

[mixja]

Originally Posted by jimmyeatsworld

Let's be honest.

That did not help the cause.

Well I was being honest - I'm just providing a dyno result.

What cause am I helping?

[xxe92xx]

Originally Posted by mixja

I am total in agreement that dynos are best used a reference measurement tool. I would have done a stock baseline on the MAHA dyno but it has only just been setup in New Zealand.

I previously got almost 370WHP on a Dynapack dyno stock (in 2nd gear)...I should probably go back to that dyno however we could never get the car past 2nd gear. Seems you need to trigger ABS sensor fault somehow to get it to work, the ABS fault triggered immediately on the MAHA dyno...

thanks mixja hope to hear some more updates

[BPMSport]

We will be testing the new software on my M3 in the next couple weeks. I can't say that it produces 40HP until I see the car put that down on the dyno, but I think it's safe to say that it will be the best software out there for the E9x M3. It will make great power over stock with minimal increases in timing.

We are also working on similiar developments for the E6x M5/M6.

It's not called Stage III, but the name isn't important - the power and reliability is!

[MShao825]

Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip

We will be testing the new software on my M3 in the next couple weeks. I can't say that it produces 40HP until I see the car put that down on the dyno, but I think it's safe to say that it will be the best software out there for the E9x M3. It will make great power over stock with minimal increases in timing.

We are also working on similiar developments for the E6x M5/M6.

It's not called Stage III, but the name isn't important - the power and reliability is!

Mike, will current Powerchip customers be able to get re-flashed to the new software when it's released at no cost?

[DevJ]

^ why should they? It's a different type of software.

[MShao825]

Originally Posted by DevJ

^ why should they? It's a different type of software.

How do you know it's a different type of software? I could very well be wrong, but I just assumed it's another "stage" of the Powerchip tune, in which case it should be the same type of software, just a newer version. I don't think you, I, or anyone else can say for sure right now though. Mike works to re-flash people all the time for all sorts of different reasons (re-flash after dealer flashed back to stock, from Stage I to II, etc.), which is why I asked. I'm very anxious to see what's coming out though

[xxe92xx]

Originally Posted by mshao825

but I just assumed it's another "stage" of the Powerchip tune, in which case it should be the same type of software, just a newer version

i also assumed it was another stage, which would mean that it would be a more agressive tune compared to stage1...stage 1 and stage 2 are the same exact tune EXCEPT stage 2 fixes the CEL if your car has HFC's or is Cat-less

according to mike's post this new tune is entirely different from the stage1 tune so it is a different type not a new version

Originally Posted by mshao825

I'm very anxious to see what's coming out though

me too

[BPMSport]

The new tune is a modified and improved version of our previous Stage I/Stage II tunes with some additional optimization of the VANOS control. This will give more power than it did before.

It will probably be a nominal fee of $200-$300 for users to upgrade to the new version of the software.

For customers that purchase a tune from us right on the cusp of the release of the new vanos file, we will probably offer a further discount due to the short time lapse.

I hope this clears up any confusion - please feel free to contact me with any other questions. Thanks!

[MSoldier]

Mike, how much of a gain is everyone looking at over the Stage 1 and 2? An estimated number?

Sounds good nontheless

Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip

The new tune is a modified and improved version of our previous Stage I/Stage II tunes with some additional optimization of the VANOS control. This will give more power than it did before.

It will probably be a nominal fee of $200-$300 for users to upgrade to the new version of the software.

For customers that purchase a tune from us right on the cusp of the release of the new vanos file, we will probably offer a further discount due to the short time lapse.

I hope this clears up any confusion - please feel free to contact me with any other questions. Thanks!

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip

The new tune is a modified and improved version of our previous Stage I/Stage II tunes with some additional optimization of the VANOS control. This will give more power than it did before.

It will probably be a nominal fee of $200-$300 for users to upgrade to the new version of the software.

For customers that purchase a tune from us right on the cusp of the release of the new vanos file, we will probably offer a further discount due to the short time lapse.

I hope this clears up any confusion - please feel free to contact me with any other questions. Thanks!

How to get this tune in Switzerland ? I will not send my cars ECU somewhere ...

[Leozap]

How much does it cost for this Stage III? Estimation?

[buddster]

How soon will it be ready? My car is due in a month and would love to drop it in right away. Best guess?

[xxe92xx]

[Leozap]

Originally Posted by xxe92xx

Sounds like you know something and not telling.

[xxe92xx]

Originally Posted by Leozap

Sounds like you know something and not telling.

i shared pretty much everything i know, im just excited to get this tune...i gotta get a dyno with my current setup before i get the new tune though so i can compare

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by MSoldier

Mike, how much of a gain is everyone looking at over the Stage 1 and 2? An estimated number?

Sounds good nontheless

It looks like it will be about 20rwhp on a bone stock car with no mods.

However, testing has not been fully completed so it may be higher or lower than that number.

We will post info up as there are new developments. Right now we are pretty busy preparing for Mfest.

[Leozap]

I know that this has been asked already but I will throw it out anyway.

Did anyone in the U.S. got nailed by BMW Service for having this powerchip flash? How easy it is for them to find out? I am very interested but I am a little bit worried.