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The GTR should be a screamer. Can't hardly wait for the first reviews. I was interested to see you are also looking at the ISF. What I find facinating about this car is Lexus is apparently saying they think it will be fuel efficient enough to avoid the gas guzzler tax. If so, what an achievement in this class. In addition, considering Lexus' customer care and build quality, cost of ownership should be the bargain of the class. Interestingly it is also going to sport the 8 speed automatic. Can't seem to get over the looks though. Speaking along the lines of what car to purchase and why. I am currently favouring the E90 M3, great all arounder, great drivetrain, practicality, likely priced very competitively and is manufactured from an ED friendly company. At this point, my second pick would be: 335, less an M but at much lower price, the real performace/$ bargain of the group. Third pick: Cayman S, give it DFI and it would definitely move up to a near tie with the M3. Porsche is the only car company I know that can make a car that doesn't need mods and be as comfortable on the track as it is a daily driver, which is no mean feat. I would consider a facelifted 997 with DFI but I don't know if can stomach the price bulge especially considering the Cayman's mid engine design is an inheritantly better handling design than the 997 - Love mid engine cars. Price points, performance, and practicality variables between these cars will play a major factor in my decision. For me, the positions of these cars seem to change fairly frequently. It begs the question, do I want a great all arounder with more practicality or one with a similar attributes but less performance that is priced to sell, or simply a true sports car with track prowess. Still not sure. Exciting times we live in. |
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08-27-2007, 01:26 PM | #91 |
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08-27-2007, 01:52 PM | #93 | |
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Do you fancy the group Devo, had to ask? I would say from my observation, most Porsche-philes wouldn't consider the M3. They think it is beneath them. Shows how snobbery can cloud reality. I have heard of quite a few M3 owners jump ship to Porsche, climbing the social ladder sorta speak. Of course, there are many former Porsche owners who now lay claim in reality or only figuratively to Ferrari. Speaking of Ferrari, any new word on a possible Dino derivitive? I have not heard of a lot of Porshce people move to BMW unless they needed second car for practicality or their finances were not what they once were. Sounds like your experience may be different. Driven the Cayman S much? It sounds like you prefer the 997s. I would be interested in hearing your comments regarding the positive and negatives of both cars in relation to one another. |
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08-27-2007, 01:59 PM | #94 | |
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08-27-2007, 02:13 PM | #95 |
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Yeah, basically. Seriously, it needs to be driven I'd say.
I thought it would be announced in 3 different price points with different performance characteristics. I am not sure if the based model will be able to deal with the M3 or the 911S. |
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I think you are right. I have heard of at least two price points. Whatever price points they are, I would would venture to say they will be a better performance value than BMW. And the GTR at it's highest price point will make the C2 look like highway robbery. Remember, we are not even talking Infinity here, though I hear they are considering a Infinity version as well.
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08-27-2007, 03:09 PM | #97 |
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The thing with even the base-model GTR is going to be it's modability(is this a word?). These things are going to be monsters in the aftermarket. Too bad they're so ugly.
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08-27-2007, 04:15 PM | #98 |
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well, considering the base model has been benchmarked against the 911tt, i think it will hold its own against the M3.
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08-27-2007, 04:34 PM | #100 |
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no real specs, but:
1. The many rumored variants are just that, rumors. Nissan has never confirmed (or denied) variants of the GTR. 2. the car seen most frequently testing with the GTR mule is a 911tt. 3. Nissan has said that the tt is the target for the GTR (it might take me a while to dig up the quote, but i'll post a link when i find it) EDIT:full disclosure, i'm eagerly awaiting the GTR, the M3 (or C63 AMG) is a fall back car if the GTR can't be a daily driver. |
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08-27-2007, 04:42 PM | #102 |
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possibly, but i find it hard to believe that hey'd be testing the top model first, and then releasing a detuned version later. i'll try to find the quote from the nissan exec about targetting the tt.
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08-27-2007, 07:02 PM | #103 |
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I have seen and read about this it to. It seems like a 997TT is always with it when it has been caught testing.
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08-27-2007, 07:54 PM | #105 |
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Somehow I could never see spending big money on a Japanese car, especially a Nissan no matter how technically brilliant. I don't now... anything over 40K and it just has to be Euro.
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08-27-2007, 08:02 PM | #106 |
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It's kind of my nickname. I, in no way, want to be dismissive, but Lucid has bantered me to death; LOL. I don't have it in me right now to discuss the merits of each car. I have previously posted numerous comments about the 911's attributes, as well as my feelings about the BMW v. Porsche thing. So, I'll try to leave that alone. A search may yield you some insight, if you choose. I don't have a problem, coming back to BMW if my expectations/requirements are met. |
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08-28-2007, 12:04 PM | #110 |
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We have bantered each other to death in case you haven't noticed. But I am willing to buy you a "Hacker-Pschorr" if I ever run into you in your next 911. Given the discussion on this beer brand on the other thread, I thought that would be an appropiate drink for a P-car person.
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