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OK, I've been watching all week and just can't help myself.
I'll be the first to call it - Ken is actually a 13 year old living somewhere in Kansas. It's truly amazing how quickly folks jump on a bandwagon to support some random person who sets up the perfect David and Goliath scenario. Everyone believes every single thing he posts while all the while setting all semblance of reason aside. If this was all real, the deal would have been funded immediately. The dealership wouldn't be so stupid as to let this drag out so long and make a public claim that they haven't received funding if they actually have. This has got to be one of the biggest fabrications ever. It'll be the subject of many a psychology lecture when discussing mob mentality for years to come. I'm very interested to see where this ultimately goes, but I've got $10 that says the end of this saga will be a twist that no one ever expected. If this is truly real, and Ken is a real guy who really does want to (and can) buy the car then I'm rooting for him as I've been screwed myself on ebay many times as both a buyer and a seller. It would be nice to see some justice for the "little guy". But again, I'm not holding my breath that any of this is real... |
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Judging by a posted document from a corporate attorney referencing a potential libel suit, I would be remiss to post anything or say anything that attacks the character of their client, or can be construed under the definition of libel. Read this: http://www.keleka.net/pubs/combinedthesis.pdf for more information as to why. Other resources presented strictily for informational purposes only, are below. Corporate counsel exist for a reason, and can be quite effective at getting blood out of turnips. Just be careful everyone. http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1052440764269 http://internet-law.lawyers.com/Libel-Online.html http://www.internetlibrary.com/topic...ecency_act.cfm |
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Insert discalimer here: Be clear, my postings in no way reflect the position of BMW CCA, the Missouri Valley Chapter, its members or anyone except for me alone. I have not conspired with anyone, anywhere and only went on a fact finding mission and have reported what I found. I did this because I am local and I could!! Period. I will state again, I have no agenda here...it does not affect me financially, personally etc. I shared the information I had attained and now it looks like I am slowly becoming a target. That was also not my intent. For all I know, I may have said things BMW of Lincoln didn't want said. If so I will hear about it from them. If Ken has any issue with what I have said, he can contact me as well. I would love to speak to him, reassure him the car is fine and that I am very jealous as it looks 10x better in person. My last conversation with BMW of Lincoln was just this. "The car is his, we have extended the timeframe another 72 hours until Monday. We just want the money before it ships." Seems fair to me. Now, in my opinion, and the opinion of many locals not posting for obvious reasons, if Ken really had things preapproved, ready to go before he hit send, then the financal people owe him some explanaition as to why it is taking so long to send the money. The screen shot would show he did so something is not kosher. Others think perhaps Ken hit "bid now" thinking the price would be sniped many times over as other auctions had done and found himself the only bidder..OOps!! Understandable, and maybe completey false, but hey, like everyone else here, I am entitled to my "theory" as well. Even if the latter was a mistake, by the time he posted his question on the Blogs, this thing took off and he couldn't go back, not with all the excellent advice he was getting about they owe you the car, BMW NA should give it to you, we will set up a paypal and everyone donate $5 and get it paid for...etc. etc... Talk about painted into a corner. Hey, like a said, all theory...and not all mine. I cannot take credit for all of that. Ken...PLEASE find a way to get the money to them and end this. I know both sides want this to work out. Lets hope Monday is a Happy day for everyone!! Jeff |
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they can extend it all they want, after denying payment with any frivolous excuse. this cheap tactic portrays them as positive and paints Ken as bad. Does ken have to open a bank account in NE then transfer the money or something ? This is ridiculous ! funny how they spinning it that Ken is untrustworthy now. KARMA gonna make it right. |
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if they wanted to stop the Sh!tstorm, they should accept the payment (its a check, which will probably means it takes a few days to clear, so they shouldn't be crying the very next day when the funds haven't fully been transferred). They have the chance to make things right, and so far, they haven't. its as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
There has been no payment offered, no check, just a credit card last Monday....for a $60k car!! That is old news. Since then, the deadline has been extended to this Monday. Even if it were for a deposit....given the circumstances and all the "great" advice given. I think there was a post a while back that covered this issue. A certified check or money transfer or something from the Leasing Agent would have been fine. Besides, it was noted that he already had secured funds prior to hitting the "bit now" button. Where is that money??? Just my observations. Not passing judgements or bashing Ken, perhaps the financial folks sending the funds need a nudge..... JEff Last edited by BMW M5 Power; 03-28-2008 at 11:36 PM.. Reason: It is late and after reading it, it sounded wrong. Sorry |
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"In fact, I'm going out on a limb here and am going to propose something crazy... Maybe the whole deal is a hoax. PROBABLY not. But if it is, you heard it here first, folks. (I think) /tinfoil hat off."
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Your perspective is appreciated, as is the BMW CCA chapter president who has added to this thread. I think it's important to step back, take a few breaths, holster the kerosene torches and pitchforks and try to at least look at it from Fil's point of view. Having done that, the problem I still have with Husker's dealings and with what you wrote above, is this: Had Ken's offer been for the "Buy It Now" price, or for something close to MSRP, I have zero doubt in my mind that Husker would have readily accepted financing from whatever source Ken lined up, packed the M3 on the shipping truck, and closed out the deal. Granted, there are mitigating factors, such as the harassment the dealer endured, but that is not something the buyer engaged in or encouraged in any way. The crux of the matter remains that the dealer is looking for an escape because of the amount of the financing, not because of the source.
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I'll share the $10 with you. I still call hoax. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Ken is actually Fil. His dealership is now THE most well known dealership in the hemisphere. |
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Just my observations. Not passing judgements or bashing Ken, perhaps the financial folks sending the funds need a nudge..... JEff[/QUOTE] he got pre-approved for cap-one which would fed-ex the check next day to Ken to deliver in person (if local sale) or to dealer. then it takes a few days to clear, and last i remember there's more than 72hours in 7 days. saw your edit, but how do you personally know first-hand if payment was sent, but not "recieved" ?? |
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I'm not sure what all this means, but I'm now getting the impression that key elements of this story are being omitted. If that's not the case, I implore Dooma to explain; this is the second time now my BS detector has gone off while reading his updates. (And I've read all of them.) |
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this has gone too far
I have been reading all these posts from the beginning. I have to say that I have laughed many times at the jokes that were made. At this point in time I feel bad for what ken is going through. we should all remember the the forum thread started with the line . "won ebay auction ....and bmw of lincoln refusing to honor." as a business man and bmw driver for over fifteen years I have bought, arranged financing and ordered cars with a telephone call to my dealer confirming receipt of an email requesting the options and colors i wanted. Husker's attorney could have called Ken's lawyer and said we want to put this behind us and move on. They could have agreed on financing, terms payment etc and this forum would have ended 50 or more pages ago. The dealer could have turned this into a HUGE promotion for themselves brought ken in with local press tv, bmw club etc to see Ken take delivery of the famous ebay M3, and say here is How Husker turned this into a happy ending.
Instead they feel discrediting ken is the way to go. They are trying to argue that ken can not afford the car or does not have the financing to do so. And now the argument is that HE did not abide by the TERMS of the AUCTION. IMO this is bs. To date Ken has turned down offers of members willing to paypal him money. If you look at the numbers that this forum has generated ken could easily have received enough in donations to pay for a M3 for him , his lawyer and have money left over! I am still hoping that ken will take a paypal donation. No one can argue that he has not provided all of us with quite an interesting read. Good Luck Ken!!! |
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