M3 vs... M3! (e30)

M5 BM · 04-14-2009, 11:16 PM

E30 M3 with 400 hp (stock has 190)

vs

E92 M3 stock.

dicuss!

FStop7 · 04-14-2009, 11:37 PM

Wouldn't be good for the E92

M5 BM · 04-14-2009, 11:55 PM

yea thats what i figured... considering that 14 hp more on the e92 end doesnt make up for 1000 extra pounds

Year's_End · 04-15-2009, 12:26 AM

I wouldn't want an e30 M3 with 400bhp. I'd rather have about 300bhp coming from a high revving, small-displacement inline-6.

If we're talking fun to drive, then there shouldn't be a comparison. If we're talking about having just ONE car to own and not drive, then I'd rather have the e92 M3.

M5 BM · 04-15-2009, 12:37 AM

yea i wasnt very clear with my question

I was wondering which is faster and my assumption was e30 because of the basically same amount of bhp with 1000 less pounds of weight on it, but of course to own a car and drive every day you would pick an e92.

kmarei · 04-15-2009, 06:53 AM

if both were new
i would rather have the E30

skoot3r · 04-15-2009, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmarei

if both were new
i would rather have the E30

I would take both

E30 M3 - Track Car
E9x M3 - DD/Show Car

MMMorish · 04-15-2009, 11:47 AM

I would take a mint e30 in stock form just because it has no electronic gimicks, just straight sports car.

Year's_End · 04-15-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMMorish

I would take a mint e30 in stock form just because it has no electronic gimicks, just straight sports car.

you would get owned if that was your DD. no protection. it's like a tin can against modern cars. you get t-boned by a careless driver and you can say bye bye.

darkphantom · 04-15-2009, 05:39 PM

e92, I don't care about the E30 unless I'm dedicating it for a full track car

MMMorish · 04-16-2009, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

you would get owned if that was your DD. no protection. it's like a tin can against modern cars. you get t-boned by a careless driver and you can say bye bye.

I never said that I'd take the e30 because it's faster than an e92, because it's not! And I never said that I'd take an e30 because it's safer than any modern car, because it's definitely not! But I did say that I'd take an e30 because it's a raw sports car. No gimicks, no gadgets, no DSC, no servotronic, nothing! It's raw!

But you're probably right in that most new cars will own an e30 as a DD.

termigni · 04-16-2009, 08:34 AM

e30. timeless.

V8 vs. I4 is no match. don't matter though.

kmarei · 04-16-2009, 10:41 AM

i've driven both
and owned both
both red with black inside

and there is nothing i have driven that compares to the E30
except maybe a boxster
such immediacy in all the controls
although i love my E92 M3
it doesn't compare
i would still buy a new E30 if it was out even though i know it probably sucks in safety
but i'd enjoy evey mile i drive

and if i died in it, i'd die a happy man
and i'd be remembered as "the guy who died in an M3 E30"

JC919 · 04-16-2009, 11:08 AM

E30M w/E46M engine and transmission

BMWFanatic2008 · 04-16-2009, 12:36 PM

E30 M3 is such a nice car!

SoreHead · 04-28-2009, 01:48 PM

No comparison.
The E92 is the first BMW I've liked the look of and as far as the E30 goes it would need the chassis from the E92 to handle the power. On std suspension setup it would be undriveable.
I think people get caught up in the emotion of the thing. The steering will be slack compared to a (decent) modern car. The suspension will be complete cack. I drove a friends 993 recently and was stunned how badly sorted the suspension was compared to my old WRX. It was constantly caught out by combinations of bumps etc.
By comparison my old boxster S was spectacular. It was bog standard with no traction control or LSD but it was great over bad roads and in the wet. That was modern fun at its best.

graider · 04-28-2009, 02:11 PM

e92m hands down.

the e30 classic comment is getting old. It is like compare a pretty girl in the ancient day vs a pretty girl today. Sorry, but I will take the modern one please.

Sedan_Clan · 04-28-2009, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkphantom

e92, I don't care about the E30 unless I'm dedicating it for a full track car

Agreed!

kmarei · 04-28-2009, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graider

e92m hands down.

the e30 classic comment is getting old. It is like compare a pretty girl in the ancient day vs a pretty girl today. Sorry, but I will take the modern one please.

drive a well sorted example of the E30 before you say this

M5 BM · 04-28-2009, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmarei

drive a well sorted example of the E30 before you say this

*high five*

Year's_End · 04-30-2009, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmarei

i've driven both
and owned both
both red with black inside

and there is nothing i have driven that compares to the E30
except maybe a boxster
such immediacy in all the controls
although i love my E92 M3
it doesn't compare
i would still buy a new E30 if it was out even though i know it probably sucks in safety
but i'd enjoy evey mile i drive

and if i died in it, i'd die a happy man
and i'd be remembered as "the guy who died in an M3 E30"

nice poem.

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kmarei Major General 686 Rep 6,845 Posts Drives: 2018 Audi RS5 coupe Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Reston, VA iTrader: (34) Garage List 2018 Audi RS5 [0.00]	i've driven both and owned both both red with black inside and there is nothing i have driven that compares to the E30 except maybe a boxster such immediacy in all the controls although i love my E92 M3 it doesn't compare i would still buy a new E30 if it was out even though i know it probably sucks in safety but i'd enjoy evey mile i drive and if i died in it, i'd die a happy man and i'd be remembered as "the guy who died in an M3 E30"
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SoreHead Captain 11 Rep 865 Posts Drives: 2009 M3 coupe - Manual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 E92 [0.00]	No comparison. The E92 is the first BMW I've liked the look of and as far as the E30 goes it would need the chassis from the E92 to handle the power. On std suspension setup it would be undriveable. I think people get caught up in the emotion of the thing. The steering will be slack compared to a (decent) modern car. The suspension will be complete cack. I drove a friends 993 recently and was stunned how badly sorted the suspension was compared to my old WRX. It was constantly caught out by combinations of bumps etc. By comparison my old boxster S was spectacular. It was bog standard with no traction control or LSD but it was great over bad roads and in the wet. That was modern fun at its best.
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