Rod Bearing Replacement @78,000 kms - Perth

DR-JEKL · 10-06-2015, 07:10 AM

Advan performance in Sydney quote ~ $2500

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...66170870075071

DBE · 10-06-2015, 07:12 AM

Dyno time is included?

Rocket_Rod · 10-06-2015, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DR-JEKL

Advan performance in Sydney quote ~ $2500

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...66170870075071

Thanks for the heads-up!
I'll tee it up for the new year.

I have two track days left this year.... I'll be paranoid the whole way through those days.....

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If you read their comments, they sure know how to drum up business..... This is their reply to the question of "are there any warning signs?"
"If you are really lucky you will here a knocking noise, but most don't.. Most here a loud bang and see oil smoke from the hole in the block, can even lead to a engine fire."

American Dave · 10-07-2015, 03:53 AM

All the bearings showed significant and consistent wear, with a couple of them showing wear thru to the copper. Well worth doing I think. My cost was $2600 parts and labour

Rajvosa · 10-07-2015, 04:55 AM

good job! definitely worth doing for peace of mind

Azurite M5 · 10-07-2015, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by American Dave

All the bearings showed significant and consistent wear, with a couple of them showing wear thru to the copper. Well worth doing I think. My cost was $2600 parts and labour

How many km on your car Dave?
I wonder what bearings from say an LS3 would look like with similar km?

American Dave · 10-07-2015, 07:14 AM

PM at 78k kms was money well spent
now the car gets some paint repairs and a few extra body parts

DAL344 · 10-07-2015, 07:15 AM

Excuse my ignorance here gents.....

Are the new bearings being fitted of higher quality / spec than OEM?
Is this an issue on all S65 motors or did they change bearings spec during the years of production?

Trying to access risk

Thanks in advance!

American Dave · 10-07-2015, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAL344

Excuse my ignorance here gents.....

Are the new bearings being fitted of higher quality / spec than OEM?
Is this an issue on all S65 motors or did they change bearings spec during the years of production?

Trying to access risk

Thanks in advance!

How much reading time have you got ?
The tolerances of S65 Engine
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892838
Blown motors
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=786615
A new fix for bearings ?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1069180
Class Action Law Suit ?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1161033

DAL344 · 10-07-2015, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by American Dave

How much reading time have you got ?
The tolerances of S65 Engine
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892838
Blown motors
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=786615
A new fix for bearings ?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1069180
Class Action Law Suit ?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1161033

How much will you charge me for a brief synopsis

American Dave · 10-07-2015, 08:01 PM

Problem: Tight clearances with the S65 Engine combined thick oil can lead to bearing shell wear thru to the copper inside the shells. Once you get metal in your oil going thru your engine, well its not going to end well. Engine oil analysis is a good idea but wont necessarily save you your engine from failure. Replacing old bearings with VAC coated bearings is good preventative maintenance. There are new bearings coming "Clevite" which are tiny bit smaller and thus give you more clearance in theory. Those bearings have not been released to the public for sale as yet but should be soon I believe. The old bearings in 2007-2009 M3 S65 engine were made of lead / copper while in 2010 onwards model the new bearings are made of tin / aluminium.

Ingenio · 10-07-2015, 08:10 PM

I wish you'd written that synopsis about 2 months ago.... You would have saved me hours worth of bloody reading!

MFKN3 · 10-07-2015, 08:13 PM

Yes, it seems to be bearing tolerance and most of the wear is probably done on cold start due to thick oil. My tolerance is now enlarged, I think to .002" so flows much better.

DAL344 · 10-07-2015, 08:16 PM

Thanks Dave - I owe you a beer

As mine is a 2013 motor am I correct to assume the bearings shouldn't be an issue?

American Dave · 10-07-2015, 08:40 PM

no worries mate, you would think a 2013 should be fine.

MrBlonde · 10-15-2015, 12:19 AM

Great read, thank you guys. BMW OEM bearings have been an issue on a few engines now. Bad for business, very bad for business.

DBE · 10-15-2015, 06:12 AM

Any chance the resistance we get when the engine is cold is somehow related to this bearing wear?

American Dave · 10-15-2015, 06:49 PM

yes that has been discussed in depth and some owners have moved to thinner oil particularly if you live in cold climate.

American Dave · 10-15-2015, 07:13 PM

have a good read here http://www.bebearings.com/

jav_au · 11-05-2015, 08:01 PM

Guys. Looking to order a set of the be bearing myself and have tossed up between stock or arp rod bolts. Apparently the guys in the us are saying the arp bolts can make the bearings out of round due to different clamping forces etc and that stock bolts are the safer more trusted option. Obviously the stock bolts take longer to install due to the tty process. Any opinions on this and thoughts how much longer it would take? Planning to get this work done by Mike weber soon hopefully. Cheers. Javed.

DaveDee · 11-05-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jav_au

Guys. Looking to order a set of the be bearing myself and have tossed up between stock or arp rod bolts. Apparently the guys in the us are saying the arp bolts can make the bearings out of round due to different clamping forces etc and that stock bolts are the safer more trusted option. Obviously the stock bolts take longer to install due to the tty process. Any opinions on this and thoughts how much longer it would take? Planning to get this work done by Mike weber soon hopefully. Cheers. Javed.

Mike Weber is the Guru in Brisbane. Be guided by what he says but all installs have included the ARP bolts.

I can now get stock of these locally again in limited numbers as a complete set

crashprash · 12-06-2015, 11:56 PM

Got a 2012 with 10k on the clock and wondering if and when i need to do this.

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American Dave Captain 118 Rep 621 Posts Drives: 2008 Jerez Black E92 M3 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Perth Western Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 E92 [0.00]	All the bearings showed significant and consistent wear, with a couple of them showing wear thru to the copper. Well worth doing I think. My cost was $2600 parts and labour __________________ Jerez Black 2008 6MT with Borla Atak Exhaust/ M3 World X Pipe and Test Pipes/ aFe Pro Stage 2 Intake / 19" Advan DZ-DF Forged Wheels wrapped in ContiSport Contact 5P 245/35/19 Fronts & 285/30/19 Rears/ KW Var 3 Coilovers / BPM Sports Stage 2 Tuned/ VAC Rod Bearing Replacement / Throttle Body Actuator Gear Set Last edited by American Dave; 10-20-2015 at 12:39 AM..
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DAL344 Second Lieutenant 23 Rep 222 Posts Drives: 2019 M2C Pure Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: North Perth, Australia iTrader: (0)	Excuse my ignorance here gents..... Are the new bearings being fitted of higher quality / spec than OEM? Is this an issue on all S65 motors or did they change bearings spec during the years of production? Trying to access risk Thanks in advance!
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American Dave Captain 118 Rep 621 Posts Drives: 2008 Jerez Black E92 M3 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Perth Western Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 E92 [0.00]	Problem: Tight clearances with the S65 Engine combined thick oil can lead to bearing shell wear thru to the copper inside the shells. Once you get metal in your oil going thru your engine, well its not going to end well. Engine oil analysis is a good idea but wont necessarily save you your engine from failure. Replacing old bearings with VAC coated bearings is good preventative maintenance. There are new bearings coming "Clevite" which are tiny bit smaller and thus give you more clearance in theory. Those bearings have not been released to the public for sale as yet but should be soon I believe. The old bearings in 2007-2009 M3 S65 engine were made of lead / copper while in 2010 onwards model the new bearings are made of tin / aluminium. __________________ Jerez Black 2008 6MT with Borla Atak Exhaust/ M3 World X Pipe and Test Pipes/ aFe Pro Stage 2 Intake / 19" Advan DZ-DF Forged Wheels wrapped in ContiSport Contact 5P 245/35/19 Fronts & 285/30/19 Rears/ KW Var 3 Coilovers / BPM Sports Stage 2 Tuned/ VAC Rod Bearing Replacement / Throttle Body Actuator Gear Set
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MFKN3 Colonel 127 Rep 2,224 Posts Drives: supercharged 4.4L stroker E92 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (2)	Yes, it seems to be bearing tolerance and most of the wear is probably done on cold start due to thick oil. My tolerance is now enlarged, I think to .002" so flows much better.
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DAL344 Second Lieutenant 23 Rep 222 Posts Drives: 2019 M2C Pure Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: North Perth, Australia iTrader: (0)	Thanks Dave - I owe you a beer As mine is a 2013 motor am I correct to assume the bearings shouldn't be an issue?
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American Dave Captain 118 Rep 621 Posts Drives: 2008 Jerez Black E92 M3 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Perth Western Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 E92 [0.00]	no worries mate, you would think a 2013 should be fine. __________________ Jerez Black 2008 6MT with Borla Atak Exhaust/ M3 World X Pipe and Test Pipes/ aFe Pro Stage 2 Intake / 19" Advan DZ-DF Forged Wheels wrapped in ContiSport Contact 5P 245/35/19 Fronts & 285/30/19 Rears/ KW Var 3 Coilovers / BPM Sports Stage 2 Tuned/ VAC Rod Bearing Replacement / Throttle Body Actuator Gear Set
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MrBlonde Colonel 122 Rep 2,695 Posts Drives: Audi TTRS, M Coupe, 1299 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Merewether iTrader: (0)	Great read, thank you guys. BMW OEM bearings have been an issue on a few engines now. Bad for business, very bad for business. __________________ .-=[ Kenny ]=-. 1999 BMW M Coupe 10.775 @ 134.35 mph w/1.600 60' (Best 136.07 mph) 25th August 2004. +2010 X5 35D+ Check out the 1Addicts Drag Racing Standings and Drag Racing 101.
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American Dave Captain 118 Rep 621 Posts Drives: 2008 Jerez Black E92 M3 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Perth Western Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 E92 [0.00]	yes that has been discussed in depth and some owners have moved to thinner oil particularly if you live in cold climate. __________________ Jerez Black 2008 6MT with Borla Atak Exhaust/ M3 World X Pipe and Test Pipes/ aFe Pro Stage 2 Intake / 19" Advan DZ-DF Forged Wheels wrapped in ContiSport Contact 5P 245/35/19 Fronts & 285/30/19 Rears/ KW Var 3 Coilovers / BPM Sports Stage 2 Tuned/ VAC Rod Bearing Replacement / Throttle Body Actuator Gear Set
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jav_au Private First Class 38 Rep 149 Posts Drives: M2 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Brisbane iTrader: (0)	Guys. Looking to order a set of the be bearing myself and have tossed up between stock or arp rod bolts. Apparently the guys in the us are saying the arp bolts can make the bearings out of round due to different clamping forces etc and that stock bolts are the safer more trusted option. Obviously the stock bolts take longer to install due to the tty process. Any opinions on this and thoughts how much longer it would take? Planning to get this work done by Mike weber soon hopefully. Cheers. Javed.
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