Another one bites the dust! Value of M3 with a blown engine?

[jd501]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

This whole bearing issue is a shame. Why can't we have defective windshield wiper arms or something like that instead?

My seat belt extenders don't work ...

[kyrix1st]

Never fully trust UOAs... even if you have low copper reading from them, it could be because the wear is almost past the copper layer and onto the hard metal, which then will kill the engine.

[shmad]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

Why can't we have defective windshield wiper arms or something like that instead?

Because then you'd have an early 2000s Audi.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

If you are comfortable dismantling a car, you can DIY an engine swap. That is what I would do before I would spend a year stripping a car and doing 50 transactions on Craig’slist and eBay.

Agreed. I had an '88 Turbo II RX-7 (damn thing was in fantastic condition, too) that I proceeded to completely gut and strip to a bare shell. I was turning it into a track car with a beefed up LS1 / T-56 that I had. Had a perfectly good running motor, great condition interior...all that. Decided to strip it down and part it out as I went.

Yeah, sure, I made more money parting the car out than I did buying the mint thing in the first place (free shell!), but holy crap was it a pain in the ass dealing with a million different Craigslist buyers simultaneously.

[DerEisbaer]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

Agreed. I had an '88 Turbo II RX-7 (damn thing was in fantastic condition, too) that I proceeded to completely gut and strip to a bare shell. I was turning it into a track car with a beefed up LS1 / T-56 that I had. Had a perfectly good running motor, great condition interior...all that. Decided to strip it down and part it out as I went.

Yeah, sure, I made more money parting the car out than I did buying the mint thing in the first place (free shell!), but holy crap was it a pain in the ass dealing with a million different Craigslist buyers simultaneously.

I really don't like that hassle either... I have the feeling it gets more and more annoying every week.

Sorry for the OP...

Replacement of RBs is EUR 1,500.00 here in Germany, including all parts & labour; At current ROE of EUR 1.00 : US$ 1.16 that's a mere US$ 1,740.00 Mine were done last year by the previous owner.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by DerEisbaer

I really don't like that hassle either... I have the feeling it gets more and more annoying every week.

Sorry for the OP...

Replacement of RBs is EUR 1,500.00 here in Germany, including all parts & labour; At current ROE of EUR 1.00 : US$ 1.16 that's a mere US$ 1,740.00 Mine were done last year by the previous owner.

Yeah it's $800 labor here in GA. With buying parts minus motor mounts you're in for around $1600-$1800. Cheaper than most of us pay for exhaust.

[Dr. Dre]

Originally Posted by Honda

What's with your pointless comments that is not adding any vaue to this thread?!

I've been pretty consistent in my belief that you should replace your bearings. I surprised how many on this forum don't share that belief. Again, Less than 1% failure rate.If you fall in that 1%. What's the upside of not replacing it. The numbers don't pencil. Well he could have spent $2500. Now he has to spend $14K and the value of his car has been decreased(it has a story).

This whole thread is pointless. I don't feel bad for the OP. He made a decision and it bit him in the ass. 99% of the shit on this forum is pointless. I come here to kill time.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by bimmer414

Regardless, I found someone to do the engine swap (and bearings since it will be on a stand) for way less than the $14k. If I can find a good price on the engine, I am aiming to be back in business for less than $8k. I like the E9X M3 and want to keep it going.

Who are you taking it to?

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yeah it's $800 labor here in GA. With buying parts minus motor mounts you're in for around $1600-$1800. Cheaper than most of us pay for exhaust.

Yup. I paid $750 at a shop in northern IL. $750-$1000 is the going rate for labor based on the quotes I collected.

Originally Posted by Dr. Dre

This whole thread is pointless. I don't feel bad for the OP. He made a decision and it bit him in the ass. 99% of the shit on this forum is pointless. I come here to kill time.

Cool story bro. Now stop being a dick by kicking a guy when he's down.

[Ab28]

Originally Posted by carenthuziast

Assume you had the copper tin bearings, not the updated ones.

Are you the only owner and was it driven hard?

Car was an '08, so the copper and tin yes. (E93)

I was the second owner, but knew the first.

65 year old guy and it was his "cruiser"...probably never had it above 6k rpms. Immaculate condition too. Not even the slightest bit of bolster wear. Never saw a winter or cold start below 50 degrees. Always serviced with the recommended 10w60.

He had lots of cars and understood how to warm one up properly.

It really doesn't matter how hard a car is driven if there is no design/clearance defect with the bearings. Other parts of the engine will be more worn if driven in a track like manner continuously, but RBs shouldn't wear the way they do in the E9x cars.

[PACarGuy]

Originally Posted by carenthuziast

Assume you had the copper tin bearings, not the updated ones.

Are you the only owner and was it driven hard?

Just to clarify, 2007-10 had copper + lead bearings, while 2011+ had the tin + aluminum bearings due to changes in environmental regs. There was never a tin and copper bearing.

[OneSickM]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yeah it's $800 labor here in GA. With buying parts minus motor mounts you're in for around $1600-$1800. Cheaper than most of us pay for exhaust.

why do you guys have cheaper rate than us up north?
I feel like driving down to get that rate.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by OneSickM

why do you guys have cheaper rate than us up north?
I feel like driving down to get that rate.

Where "up north" are you? Maybe you just need to get some more quotes from other shops that are familiar with this job?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

Where "up north" are you? Maybe you just need to get some more quotes from other shops that are familiar with this job?

Yeah with the single torque ARP bolts this job seems to be pretty quick for the guys down here. That price is available from 2-3 shops. We also have our outliers who still charge $1500.

Come down for the Tail of the Dragon run in November then come to GA for a day and get it done.

[OneSickM]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

Where "up north" are you? Maybe you just need to get some more quotes from other shops that are familiar with this job?

D.C area and NYC. It seems the average is $2500 parts & labor

[SeeSax]

Sorry to the OP, that just sucks.

I've called around to a few shops in the Bay Area in California and have yet to find something under $2,800. I'm probably going to have it done at Performance Technic, along with the motor mounts for right around $3,000. Just had them order the BE bearings and ARP bolts, which seem to be backordered for a month. I'm going to pray to every automotive god that the car is fine until the bearings arrive in the shop!

-Collin-

[XKxRome0ox]

Originally Posted by msan

Don't blame you for not changing out bearings. Just bad luck. But here's a good engine it's new bearings. The seller is legit as I have bought parts from them and they were super helpful.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F232811041668

makes me want to buy it to keep as a spare
lol

[tooloud10]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

It certainly can, and in my experience it has.

Of course it 'can', but that doesn't mean it will.

It would at least cause a slower sale. An informed buyer would want to know why the engine was replaced (neglect? poor maintenance?) but also information about the donor car and its ownership/miles/maintenance history, who did the replacement, were new RB's installed, etc as they're now assessing details of two cars... Often as a result they'll want to negotiate a lower price. Many buyers would just keep looking to avoid a car with "stories".

I don't think it's as simple as that. I have a Porsche 996 and an F25 X3 that have had their engines replaced due to very common and well-documented issues, and I would actually use the replacement engine as a selling point. Quite literally, the best story you can tell a 996 or '12-13 N20 BMW engine owner is "yeah, the engine blew due to the IMS/timing chain issue and they replaced it with the updated version that doesn't have that problem."

It's no different than telling someone you got your rod bearings replaced. By all rights a conscientious buyer would want to know why you had someone mucking around in an engine that ran perfectly fine.

[tooloud10]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

well it does. the car has a story now.

Maybe only because it doesn't seem that BMW ever actually completely addressed the RB problem in the S65. Look at the timing chain problem with the BMW N20 engine--anyone that knows anything about a '12-13 model would be relieved to hear that the vehicle they're considering buying has had the engine replaced (already).

[STooK]

Sorry for your situation OP. I'm going to have to learn from your mistake, I'm getting my RB's done as soon as it comes off of the extended warranty.

[deansbimmer]

Maybe only because it doesn't seem that BMW ever actually completely addressed the RB problem in the S65.

That's part of the point that's being made. As per your apples to oranges Porsche/N20 example, It would be another story if all of these S65's were getting replaced with brand new updated engines, but they're not. There's no official factory remedy and the last S65's have been off warranty for a while now. We're replacing them with other used/refurbished engines that may potentially fail again. That's not a great selling point to a used M3 buyer.

[jcolley]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

That's part of the point that's being made. As per your apples to oranges Porsche/N20 example, It would be another story if all of these S65's were getting replaced with brand new updated engines, but they're not. There's no official factory remedy and the last S65's have been off warranty for a while now. We're replacing them with other used/refurbished engines that may potentially fail again. That's not a great selling point to a used M3 buyer.

Depends on who built the engine. I'm amazed no one else is offering an actual written warranty (that I've seen) on these. That alone should alleviate fear of a new buyer and even be a selling point.

[frazierrg]

Driving last week, shifted into 3rd, Manual Tranny, Rod goes through the block, no mods, never raced, original owner. 22k for a new engine fro BMW, no warranty.

This car has been very well taken care of. No word from BMW, car is sitting at a dealership in Louisville, waiting for my decision to replace the engine, or attempt to sell it and walk away.

2011 E93 Mineral White