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11-07-2016, 10:22 AM | #1 |
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Better tune - ESS or Turner Motorsports?
I'm looking to get a tune for my E92 M3 to support removing the cats and installing the Macht Snell intake system.
Reading about the EAS project in superstreetonline.com, they added 50rwhp and 23 ft-lbs with a combination of an underdrive pulley, Macht Snell intake, cat-delete, fancy exhaust and an ESS tune. In contrast, Turner Motorsports "E9X M3 Turner Test Pipes And Software Bundle" claims 48HP and 32 ft-lbs with just the cat-delete pipes and their tune. So, is the Turner tune that much better or is it only their advertising claims that are better?
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Thanks.
Granted the EAS project was measuring wheel power and not flywheel power, but in a manual trans car, that is typically only a 10% difference. And Tuner says "Max HP gain = 48HP". I suspect that requires increasing the max RPM to 8600, but considering the rod bolt concerns, I don't want to increase the redline. I'm more interested in torque increases and the max torque is below redline even on this engine. So, are you saying the ESS is the better tuning company? Since that is their specialty, it wouldn't surprise me. From what I understand, the ESS supplied software also allows some diagnosis and scanning while the Turner supplied software is more basic.
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11-07-2016, 10:47 AM | #5 |
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They all add the same software...so same hp.
The real question should be evolve or gintani. |
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Have you looked into a BPM tune?
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Give BPM a look as well if you haven't. They are regarded as one of the best if not THE best.
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Custom tune from say TTFS is where you will gain the most as its specific to your car/engine, is more of a hassle though.
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Pick who your favorite is, the results will be somewhat similar from a hp gain. There really isn't much left on the table from a na build 400whp max with the avg. in the 380-390.
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Thank you everyone; I reviewed the BPM site and it also looks good. It is $100 more than ESS though. I noticed that ESS does not mention the "Launch control" for manual transmission which might be fun a few times.
My next step will be to find out how much each company charges for a "retune" as I might want to start with just the Macht Snell intake and later add their cat-less X pipe. Certainly don't want to pay full price for each re-tune. Don't want to spend too much this year as the M3 will soon go into semi-storage to keep it out of snow. And my C6 will need another $10K in upgrades for the track. Keep the conversation going as I learn more with each post.
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Wow, that's fast for a stock M3 and a 2nd gear launch hmm. Do feel u get a better 60ft with 2nd gear?
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