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I'm glad you're a Kia fan but like I said, there's no comparison between a stinger and an M. Even 340i blows it away in every department aside from acceleration and price. Plus can get the BMW with a stick shift. On the other hand, base gt discounted to 35k otd is a great compromised alternartive. |
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Albert Bierman who use to run the "M" division now works for Kia and helped develop the Stinger. I do think that his involvement probably came later in the development process. |
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04-04-2018, 03:38 PM | #26 |
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Engineering. Look at weight alone. Quality ratings are overrated based on customer satisfaction and are subjective. Had a v6 sonata long ago, the dealership called me all the time for a high rating.
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04-04-2018, 05:41 PM | #27 | |
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I had an E46 M3. The fact that rear floor pan would just literally tear is unacceptable . I've never driven any vehicle from any other make where the rear floor pan would just fail. That engineering didn't make a difference when it came to the design of the rod bearings. The same issue happened on the E46 M3 just like the e90x series. They decided to re-engineer the rod bearings on later year e90x series of cars and they still have the same issue. So much for German engineering. I love my M3 but it's now where close to what I would consider to be reliable. I love the car and can live with that. |
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04-04-2018, 08:29 PM | #28 |
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You are comparing to performance models. Remember that the n52 engines with moderate power are bullet proof and icons of the generation. When you start adding power via turbo or even na M cars, one starts to approach material and engineering limits. Kia gt is the first higher performance from Hyundai, wait and see issues and recalls soon to make their way. Realize that BMW, SAAB, Audi and MB are the pioneers of turbo and supercharged engines, and the fact that parts break at the limits should be of no surprise to anyone with any engineering knowledge.
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This reminds me of a thread on another BMW forum years ago. Everyone who was an M guy just couldn't imagine that the Nissan GTR would be better than an M3 in terms of performance. Once the car was actually launched crickets. The original GTR is still faster than a F8x M3/M4. |
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04-05-2018, 08:29 PM | #31 |
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LMAO at leasing is always better than buying a depreciating asset. Leasing is almost never better than buying. Building some equity is always better than building no equity whatsoever, especially when financing rates through credit unions are so low.
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04-06-2018, 09:47 AM | #32 | |
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I guess back in 2008 when the economy tanked and housing pricing fell below what people paid (an asset that went down in value). Based on your logic those houses still had equity. Last edited by Dr. Dre; 04-06-2018 at 11:09 AM.. |
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You really need to calm down man. Reading this thread and the manner in which you respond, I just envision you furiously banging away at your keyboard, checking this thread 24-7 to prove you're right and taking everything personally. It's okay that others have differing opinions and you aren't always correct. Are there cases where you are right? Sure. Are there cases where you aren't? Sure. It's okay. |
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04-06-2018, 11:56 AM | #34 | |
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As for cross shopping with M3... Kia Stinger is in a difficult position. No coupe model, AWD only for 3.3 V6 which is a HUGE minus to enthusiasts, and no Manual transmission option. Hyundai-Kia decided not to utilize what made Genesis Coupe popular in some parts of America. Engine is very underwhelming in both power and character compared to M engines, so no contest there. In S. Korea however, there is currently no sports sedan with moderate power other than Stinger, so I can see some appeal over base 3 series models. I personally wouldn't buy it new or used though, it's a well round package but lacks uniqueness.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turb...petrol_engines Saab was the first company to bring turbo to the masses with huge success. They knew what most manufacturers are doing now decades ago across their line up. Plus you have to be nuts to cross shop stinger with an M |
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Regardless of what you think of the Kia brand and its lack of "soul", Stinger is a pretty bold attempt by Kia/Hyundai (they are essentially the same company) and they deserve some credit for that. I really hope that Stinger sells well. If it fails, Kia may abandon sports sedan altogether and develop another friggin pseudo performance SUV/Crossover like every other car company, including BMW, is doing.
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I believe even our "old" E9X is much superior to Stinger, for many reasons.
In terms of Brand image, while I am a Hyundai/Kia lover (Korean...lol), the reality of Korean cars is that they are like cellphones (well, all recent cars are like that actually). They got great features, nice looking interior, but just don't last long. In fact, Hyundai/Kia rarely produce parts for 10+yr old models, which is kinda ridiculous. However, it all goes with the cultural style. In Korea, people usually change their cars within 2~3 yrs, they don't hold on to their cars for 5+ yrs...they think 100K Km (62,000 miles) is an "OLD" car and move onto next "NEW" model. In terms of Kia Stinger itself and recent Hyundai's Sport line models, things will change very soon All started with Hyundai/Kia's bold move to hire $$ and experienced guys from Germany, first with Peter Schreyer, former Audi Designer. They succeeded with the K5 (Kia Optima), and the overall design is getting better and better. Then there was the great Albert Biermann (former head of BMW M) moving to Hyundai/Kia group and starting the Hyundai N business and pushing Hyundai into rally game again. Then just last month another important person Thomas Schemera (former head of BMW M, long partner of Albert Biermann) came to Hyundai/Kia. I did look at the recent Stinger, i30N and the Veloster N. While they are still far away from the European counterparts, these guys will build something good soon. Meanwhile...who's the head of BMW M currently? former Quattro guy? No wonder everything is going back to mass produced M stickered "M pack" just like the Audi S-line, awd boring cars....yes these people at the top do make a big difference...I just hope they don't mess up the next M3...
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Kia vs BMW
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Case Closed based on what? BMW is no more reliable than any Kia products. That's proven every year by JD Powers. BMW, Mercedes, & Audi are consistently ranked at the bottom in the car industry when it comes to reliability.
I believe most of us on this forum including myself give BMW a pass because we're fans of the M3. The Rod Bearing issue on the E9x is a big issue. Everyone here get's pissed about it but gives BMW as pass. Throttle Actuators will fail but again we give BMW a pass. The rear floor/sub frame on the E46 M3 would just fail. When was the last time anyone drove any vehicle from another manufacturer when the rear subframe literally just failed/tears. Again, we give BMW a pass. E46 M3 Rod Bearings would fail. Again, BMW get a pass. Sure, Case Closed |
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