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      08-17-2017, 09:31 PM   #1
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Question Castrol Edge "Supercar" vs Castrol Edge Professional

Have read a few other threads on here in regards to the re-branding of Castrols Edge professional 10W-60 oil. This from what I have read appears to be purely a cosmetic labeling change. Just wanted to post up some photos of each bottle - including back side. The new Edge Supercar states "Approved for BMW M-Models".

Have been logging my oil samples through Blackstone - all using the Castrol Edge professional. Cannot say forsure how this will impact that (am assuming not) as I'm sure the ingredients/formula has remained the same.

Have 2 bottles of Edge Professional left - and just received 9 Edge Supercar/Oem filter from ECS - as I have a scheduled oil change tomorrow afternoon.

Have an email out to Blackstone - however doubt they'll get back to me prior to changing oil tomorrow, BUT - curious as to if I should use the 2 remaining professional bottles I have left and remaining 6-6.5 of the "Supercar" formula?

Here are photos of both for you guy's to take a look. Oil guys please help - as I will continue to update this thread with my findings and can help others with these same questions in the future.






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Anecdotal evidence has indicated that the "supercar" stuff is just a marketing exercise, the actual oil is exactly the same as TWS.
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Anecdotal evidence has indicated that the "supercar" stuff is just a marketing exercise, the actual oil is exactly the same as TWS.
Indeed - and actually to my surprise DID receive email from Blackstone first thing this morning in regards to my questions. I was assured that both the formula's are safe to mix - that there may be a slight difference in additives which show up in the two.

Out of curiosity - I poured the 2 samples side by side and there is in fact a darker color on the "Supercar" formula. Just a representation of the two - now neither has been tested by Blackstone - nor am I stating any fact's on the 2 other then the color difference. Am sure that has to do with the additive difference make up - thought'd you guys might be inclined to see.



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Color is largely irrelevant since they can add dyes and there will always be production variances. Royal Purple is dyed purple, Torco is dyed blue, Motul 300V is dyed green, etc.

They are of course fine to mix, it's a requirement of API certification that oils be mixable.
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Color is largely irrelevant since they can add dyes and there will always be production variances. Royal Purple is dyed purple, Torco is dyed blue, Motul 300V is dyed green, etc.

They are of course fine to mix, it's a requirement of API certification that oils be mixable.
Interesting. I for-see 2 plausible paths, either I'm sure are okay.

1) Utilize the "Supercar" Castrol formula from this point forward - OR

2) Make change to BMW's Shell formula - and use from this point forward

- Though, I haven't come across anyone publically logging their S65 engine/ mileage with the Shell oil?

Either way - Am probably just amplifying this out of proportion.
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Interesting. I for-see 2 plausible paths, either I'm sure are okay.

1) Utilize the "Supercar" Castrol formula from this point forward - OR

2) Make change to BMW's Shell formula - and use from this point forward

- Though, I haven't come across anyone publically logging their S65 engine/ mileage with the Shell oil?

Either way - Am probably just amplifying this out of proportion.


Both are API SN and very similar on paper. I doubt you'd notice much difference. If you are the paranoid type, use the BMW-branded oil. Otherwise, I'd just run whichever is cheaper/easier to get.

Plenty of people have run the Shell stuff without issue. I have at least two UOAs from it over the past two years (about 5-6k per year, including some track days). It was pretty much the same as my TWS reports.
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Color is largely irrelevant since they can add dyes and there will always be production variances. Royal Purple is dyed purple, Torco is dyed blue, Motul 300V is dyed green, etc.

They are of course fine to mix, it's a requirement of API certification that oils be mixable.
Wow colored oil lol that's neat
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Wow colored oil lol that's neat
Yes, for the first 5 seconds when you are pouring it into the sump. It turns black like any other oil with use. It's a marketing gimmick.
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Both are API SN and very similar on paper. I doubt you'd notice much difference. If you are the paranoid type, use the BMW-branded oil. Otherwise, I'd just run whichever is cheaper/easier to get.

Plenty of people have run the Shell stuff without issue. I have at least two UOAs from it over the past two years (about 5-6k per year, including some track days). It was pretty much the same as my TWS reports.
Good deal. Not doubting quality of it - more so the sequential timing of it all? ;

- S65 clearance problem noted (BMW utilizing Castrol TW60 at time)
- F8X M Platform released
- BMW changes oil provider to Shell

Probably no bearing whatsoever nor would change S65 make up - curious how often car companies change oil companies. IE: Prior to Castrol who was BMW's oil provider.

Will be continuing to run Castrol and log. Utilized 2 L of the professional / and remaining 7 of Supercar on my oil change today. My upcoming report of oil just taken from the car only has 1815 miles on it so is not going to reflect much of a change. However, the following one is the one I'm looking forward to seeing. Will keep updating my Blackstone thread.

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Good deal. Not doubting quality of it - more so the sequential timing of it all? ;

- S65 clearance problem noted (BMW utilizing Castrol TW60 at time)
- F8X M Platform released
- BMW changes oil provider to Shell

Probably no bearing whatsoever nor would change S65 make up - curious how often car companies change oil companies. IE: Prior to Castrol who was BMW's oil provider.

Will be continuing to run Castrol and log. Utilized 2 L of the professional / and remaining 7 of Supercar on my oil change today. My upcoming report of oil just taken from the car only has 1815 miles on it so is not going to reflect much of a change. However, the following one is the one I'm looking forward to seeing. Will keep updating my Blackstone thread.

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The BMW-Castrol relationship has existed for decades. In fact, a lot of the development for the TWS predecessor was a collaborative effort between BMW and Castrol. I'm not sure who they used before, though it's worth noting they get various fluids from Pentosin as well. It was a bit of a shock to see them move to SOPUS for engine oils (they still use Castrol for differential fluids and a few other things).

Car companies change oils for cost reasons. Any of the big blenders have products for pretty much every car so it comes down to who offers BMW the best deal. It sounds like SOPUS undercut Castrol. Some car companies change blenders often or use multiple blenders depending on the viscosity grade. Ford's Motorcraft oil comes to mind as I know there are at least two different blenders doing the private labeling.

I doubt there was any connection between the F-series cars coming out and BMW switching to SOPUS. Contracts have end dates and it was merely a coincidence that it was up around the time the new platform debuted. Shell was already making several 10w60s at the time so they just put it into a new bottle for BMW and called it a day.
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Indeed - and actually to my surprise DID receive email from Blackstone first thing this morning in regards to my questions. I was assured that both the formula's are safe to mix - that there may be a slight difference in additives which show up in the two.

Out of curiosity - I poured the 2 samples side by side and there is in fact a darker color on the "Supercar" formula. Just a representation of the two - now neither has been tested by Blackstone - nor am I stating any fact's on the 2 other then the color difference. Am sure that has to do with the additive difference make up - thought'd you guys might be inclined to see.



Supercar has the "titanium technology" which could be the reason for the color difference.
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Yes, that's what it used to be called when the car was released.

The E46 M3s have a different name on their sticker too since the product has gone through several revisions over the years.
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Yes, that's what it used to be called when the car was released.

The E46 M3s have a different name on their sticker too since the product has gone through several revisions over the years.
I am a little paranoid, based on my research and info from this post, is it safe to say:

Edge Professional TWS 10W60 is the same, or very very similar to the old TWS, and not the same as the Edge/Edge Sport 10W60.

And the Edge Supercar is very similar, if not the same, as the Edge Professional TWS 10W60?

EDIT: Seems like auto parts stores also have Edge TWS, is that closer to Edge Pro TWS or Edge/Edge Sport?
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I am a little paranoid, based on my research and info from this post, is it safe to say:

Edge Professional TWS 10W60 is the same, or very very similar to the old TWS, and not the same as the Edge/Edge Sport 10W60.

And the Edge Supercar is very similar, if not the same, as the Edge Professional TWS 10W60?

EDIT: Seems like auto parts stores also have Edge TWS, is that closer to Edge Pro TWS or Edge/Edge Sport?

It's been renamed a few times, and there are regional branding differences.

Edge Sport is something different.
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Older post, but I thought that I’d add some detail.

The current requirement for our cars is simply SAE 10W60, ACEA A3/B4 with API SK/CF or superior.

Originally, it was just SAE 10W/60 with API SJ/CF.

The current recommended is SAE 10W60 with ACEA A3/B4 and API SM/CF. (Technically API SK/CF or superior)

Approved Oils:

1. Castrol TWS Motorsport SAE 10W60; API SJ/CF

became

2. Castrol Edge Professional TWS SAE 10W60; API SM/CF; ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
(This was the last exclusive BMW M formula before Shell began providing oil for BMW M cars. See 5 and 6.)

became

3. Castrol Edge Gold* formerly TWS (12535) SAE 10W60; API SN/CF; ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4; VW 501.01, 505.00
*(the word “gold” is omitted in Europe, but the word “Edge” has gold letters. The Europeans bottles say “European Formula” and the American bottles say “GOLD” instead. The formula was still approved for BMW M cars, but the Shell Helix Ultra, Branded as BMW M twin power turbo replaced it officially.)

became

4. Castrol Edge Supercar** (12064) SAE 10W60; API SN/CF; ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4; VW 501 01 / 505 00
**(Edge 10W60 with Titanium FST in Europe)

For the Castrol Edge Supercar in SAE 10W60:
Is suitable for use where ACEA A3/B4 is recommended such as in: Aston Martin V8 Vantage S, Ferrari F12 Berlinetta, and Ferrari FF.

Is approved for use where VW 501 00 / 505 00 is required such as in: Audi R8 V10 GT, Bugatti Chiron, Bugatti Veyron.

Koenigsegg officially partnered with Castrol and specifically required Castrol Edge FST (euro name for Castrol Supercar) 10W60 for the One:1 And because of that partnership, now requires the same oil for all for Koenigsegg engines.

5. Shell Helix Ultra SAE 10W60; API SM/CF; ACEA A3, B3, B4; VW 501.1, 505.00; MB 229.1; Fiat 9.55535 H3, Ferrari Approved.

6. BMW M Twin Power Turbo SAE 10W60 is the new partner oil for our Naturally Aspirated cars (causing confusion, as the 0W30 (or 5W30) is for the turbo cars). It’s the same as the Shell Helix Ultra SAE 10W60.

7.Shell Helix Ultra Racing*** SAE 10W60; API SN/CF; ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4; Ferrari.
***(Update to API SN/CF and apparently lost VW 501.1, 505.00; MB 229.1; Fiat 9.55535 H3 approvals or just stopped listing them for some reason)

Since the latest Shell Helix Ultra And Castrol Edge Supercar in SAE 10W60 10W60 both meet ACEA A3/B4 and exceed API SK/CF with API SN/CF; both are perfectly fine to use,though the BMW branded API SM/CF is the official one.)

For what it’s worth, BMW service here indicated that any of the oils in this list would be perfectly fine to use in the engine, with anything newer than the TWS Motorsport preferred. They said that for cars that they service, they currently use the BMW (Shell) product, but if I have the Castrol products (any except for the oldest TWS Motorsport) or the Shell products, that topping off the BMW branded stuff with any of those brands/versions (except the oldest TWS Motorsport) was perfectly fine.

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^Great info! I've been playing it safe with Liqui Moly Race Tech GT1 10W60. Rated for ACEA A3, ACEA B4, SL/CF.

Would you say the latest Shell Racing is superior?
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Superior in what way? The difference between most of the readily available 10w60s in marginal. You and the car won't really know the difference.
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7.Shell Helix Ultra Racing*** SAE 10W60; API SN/CF; ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4; Ferrari.
***(Update to API SN/CF and apparently lost VW 501.1, 505.00; MB 229.1; Fiat 9.55535 H3 approvals or just stopped listing them for some reason)

501.1, 505.00, and 229.1 are old standards and have been superseded, hence they were dropped. I don't even know what requires Fiat 9.55535 H3, as the Abarths all use 5w40.

Remember that it costs the blender money to get each certification.
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I recently emailed Castrol in regards to the new titanium blend. They responded:
“All of the Castrol EDGE products are now Titanium FST – this is an advanced additive package to make the base oil stronger under pressure, which in turn means that your engine is better protected
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I recently emailed Castrol in regards to the new titanium blend. They responded:
“All of the Castrol EDGE products are now Titanium FST – this is an advanced additive package to make the base oil stronger under pressure, which in turn means that your engine is better protected
No surprise there, it's cheaper, easier, and simpler for them to use the same additive pack across the entire Edge range.
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