2013 GTR Pulling 2.8 G's!! This beast VS. what??

[Nine]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

I have not disrespected anyone in anyway shape or form. I simply state my my opinion as I can exercise that right. That may not fly in Singapore, but that's fine here in the goold ol' USA. Please learn to respect my rights. I will exercise them as I please weather you like it or not. Feel free to bash the C63. I really don't care because at the end of the day, it's about personal preference and different tastes. With that said, you are now on ignore.

it's whether, not weather. Again, think about reading your posts before hitting submit.

This is so ironic, Clar posts his opinion and you disprected him, and Singapore all in one post, to further that you are completely against having open and fair dialogue. You always leap for the opprotunity for posting that the GT-R is 10000x better than the M3, but rarely do accept that this may offend or cause reactions on an M3 club website. When Clar turns the arguement and uses your same tactic, you get annoyed and put him on ignore? You are acting like a child, especially when others are calling you out.

[attila]

Originally Posted by adc

That is probably taken on track, not on a flat measuring surface (skidpad). So road camber, quality, corner radius etc. all play a major part.

Very few cars can pull more than 1g on a skidpad and in all cases it's mostly down to the tires.

My next mod is going to be a square R compound setup, cannot wait to try it out.

Even on a road course, as peak lateral G, 2.8G is just too high. My M3 pulled about 1.2G steady state and 1.4-1.5 peak with 265 front 285 rear BFG R1 (R-comp DOT legal slicks)
The GT3RS can pull about 1.3G steady and about 1.5-1.6G peak with 265 front and 335 rear BFG R1's. All measured by Racelogic Performance Box. (Happy to publish the data)
There is simply no way that a road car with road legal tires with basically no aero downforce can pull 2.8G lateral.
By the way peak braking g load on both the M3 and on the RS are very close to peak cornering. The differences are 0.1G on the M3 and 0.2G on the RS.
Meaning that these cars do not produce signifficant aero downforce. I expect the Radical SR8 with racing slicks not DOT legal R-comp to pull about 2.5-3.0G lateral with the "big" aero kit. (Large front splitter with dual cannards, full underbody tray with diffuser, and dual wing)

[chungdae]

Originally Posted by alms211

No jealousy here GTRboy. I test drove one when I sold my Vette. Could buy 5 of them if I wanted. Didn't like it. It's fast.............and big, and ugly, and noisey, and the most cluttered, piss poor designed interior I think I've ever seen. No thanks. I'd take a Porsche 997 Turbo over that thing all day, every day.

GTR and 997 turbo are both amazing cars. You get what you pay for. Performance wise they are practically the same. You pay that $100,000+ for the materials and service. If it was up to me and mostly everyone on this forum they'd take the GTR and put that $100,000 into mods or a house.

[alms211]

Originally Posted by chungdae

GTR and 997 turbo are both amazing cars. You get what you pay for. Performance wise they are practically the same. You pay that $100,000+ for the materials and service. If it was up to me and mostly everyone on this forum they'd take the GTR and put that $100,000 into mods or a house.

Where on earth is this extra $100K coming from that you speak of? You can get a 2010 997Turbo with 10k miles for $110-120K or better yet a certified '08--09 for $90K with less than 30k miles. Obviously, people will buy what they want. If it's me, there is no doubt in my mind I'm going for the one that is better looking, equally performing, much better quality built, proven, damn near bullett proof, much more exciting to drive...... the Porsche Turbo.

[chungdae]

Originally Posted by alms211

Where on earth is this extra $100K coming from that you speak of? You can get a 2010 997Turbo with 10k miles for $110-120K or better yet a certified '08--09 for $90K with less than 30k miles. Obviously, people will buy what they want. If it's me, there is no doubt in my mind I'm going for the one that is better looking, equally performing, much better quality built, proven, damn near bullett proof, much more exciting to drive...... the Porsche Turbo.

2012 brand new Porsche turbo's are over $190,000 out the door. That's where the extra $100,000+ comes from.

[alms211]

Originally Posted by chungdae

2012 brand new Porsche turbo's are over $190,000 out the door. That's where the extra $100,000+ comes from.

Wrong answer

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo/

[chungdae]

Originally Posted by alms211

Wrong answer

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo/

Be realistic:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/search...=1322680483898

[alms211]

Originally Posted by chungdae

Be realistic:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/search...=1322680483898

Seriously?.....you select a Champion outfitted Porsche Turbo as your means of comparison? Do you even know who Champion is? Those wheels alone are $7-8K not to mention everything else the car has on it (see carbon fibre).

A well equipped new Turbo will run you about 145-150K. Like I said earlier, you can get one that is a year old for $115-120K. For a $25K price delta, I am taking a one year old Porsche 997 Turbo over a brand new GT-R all day, every day. There is nothing you, or anyone else, can say that will change my mind.

[chungdae]

Originally Posted by alms211

Seriously?.....you select a Champion outfitted Porsche Turbo as your means of comparison? Do you even know who Champion is? Those wheels alone are $7-8K not to mention everything else the car has on it (see carbon fibre).

A well equipped new Turbo will run you about 145-150K. Like I said earlier, you can get one that is a year old for $115-120K. For a $25K price delta, I am taking a one year old Porsche 997 Turbo over a brand new GT-R all day, every day. There is nothing you, or anyone else, can say that will change my mind.

I don't care to change your mind. I'm proving MY point. Be a Porsche fanboy nobody is stopping you nor trying to change your mind.

[boehm330]

awesome video is awesome

[alms211]

Originally Posted by chungdae

I don't care to change your mind. I'm proving MY point. Be a Porsche fanboy nobody is stopping you nor trying to change your mind.

Never said you were trying to change my mind. I'm merely pointing out the idiocy of the post on what a 997 Turbo cost.

Oh, ok so I say that I would take the 997 turbo over the GTR and that makes me a Porsche fanboi. Got it. Great logic. Take a look at my signature line and then ask yourself if I'm a fanboi of a particular brand. I've owned/own euro cars, american cars and japanese cars but I'm a Porsche fanboi in your mind huh? Jesus Christ, some of you people on here are borderline fucking retarded.

[Flux Autosport]

The GTR will mess up your neck just like how Jeremy Clarkson did it on that one episode of top gear

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by Nine

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[991GT3]

A 997 Turbo S is about $165k so I imagine a straight Turbo is about $15-20k less and a GTR is about $91k.

[devo]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

A 997 Turbo S is about $165k so I imagine a straight Turbo is about $15-20k less and a GTR is about $91k.

pretty darn close. a base turbo, optioned the way it should be, but without excessive options, has a MSRP of roughly $150K. the S in the low $160s.

as much of a bargain, the GTR is, it is not 1/3rd the price of a turbo, as someone else previously posted. the GTR is more than half the cost of the "S" . obviously, simple math was not their priority.

[devo]

Originally Posted by chungdae

2012 brand new Porsche turbo's are over $190,000 out the door. That's where the extra $100,000+ comes from.

not even close.

as alms mentioned, your example has been tweaked by champion motor sports. besides, it's no secret one could build a $110K cayman if one stupidly chose to. same goes for the turbo. $150k retail gets you all the turbo you need or want. expensive, maybe. much more so than the gtr, sure. let's not get imaginary.

[graider]

Originally Posted by M3 Montreal

Ugh... I hate the app for this website. If you quote a thread and write up something it oftentimes loses what you posted and just puts in the quote!!!

As far as pricing te GTR doesn't really have many options. You're comparing the M3 starting at 71k in Canada vs a GTR at 100k. The GTR doesn't have many options. My buddy bought a new one and the only option was the silver paint (something like 15 coats) which was 5 or 6k but they didn't charge him for it. Total cost was 99k. Most M3's in caanada leave the lot at somewhere around 85k so it's only 15k.

At least the GTR is a 2 2 and way more spacious than the 911 hence why I think it does justify being in the vs thread.

In my opinion the GTR deserves to be in the va thread over the Cayman which is a 2 seater. Or any vs thread that is a 2 seater.

There's a reason why so many are flipping over to a GTR and a new model like the 2013 should justify a new thread. I don't feel like sifting through an older thread that doesn't relate to the current model.

I love my M3 and if I trusted the long term use/abuse of the GTR I would have flipped to one myself. Hell I've already hit the price range of angtr with my mods anyways...

that's true. the gtr comes fully loaded with nav, upgraded audio, real recaro seats, etc everything in the MSRP. i think an equally option m3 in canada comes to 90+ k. in that respect, the gtr is a bargain IMO.

i think the 2012-2013 gtr is worth every penny.

[graider]

the gtr performance is at turbo s level as i watched fifth gear and auto car reviews. so really when it comes to cost, you have to compare the cost of the turbo s to the gtr. that 80k different, no?

that is not including the ridiculous option on the turbo s vs the gtr that include nav and everything in the price.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by attila

Even on a road course, as peak lateral G, 2.8G is just too high. My M3 pulled about 1.2G steady state and 1.4-1.5 peak with 265 front 285 rear BFG R1 (R-comp DOT legal slicks)
The GT3RS can pull about 1.3G steady and about 1.5-1.6G peak with 265 front and 335 rear BFG R1's. All measured by Racelogic Performance Box. (Happy to publish the data)
There is simply no way that a road car with road legal tires with basically no aero downforce can pull 2.8G lateral.
By the way peak braking g load on both the M3 and on the RS are very close to peak cornering. The differences are 0.1G on the M3 and 0.2G on the RS.
Meaning that these cars do not produce signifficant aero downforce. I expect the Radical SR8 with racing slicks not DOT legal R-comp to pull about 2.5-3.0G lateral with the "big" aero kit. (Large front splitter with dual cannards, full underbody tray with diffuser, and dual wing)

You are assuming a flat surface. This track where the GTR was tested may have a banked turn. Think Bowl at Streets of Willow, or Corkscrew and Turn 10 at Laguna Seca. I'd think one would pull bigger numbers there.

[attila]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

You are assuming a flat surface. This track where the GTR was tested may have a banked turn. Think Bowl at Streets of Willow, or Corkscrew and Turn 10 at Laguna Seca. I'd think one would pull bigger numbers there.

You may be right! I need to watch the video again.

[devo]

Originally Posted by graider

the gtr performance is at turbo s level as i watched fifth gear and auto car reviews. so really when it comes to cost, you have to compare the cost of the turbo s to the gtr. that 80k different, no?

that is not including the ridiculous option on the turbo s vs the gtr that include nav and everything in the price.

probably more like $70k delta, but you're very close. A turbo S has everything as far as options. one would need to check nothing additional in the option boxes to get a crazy loaded car. Ceramics, Full Leather on dash, doors, rear compartment, etc., PDK w/Sport Chrono plus, Center Lock wheels, Nav, Upgraded Stereo, Blue Tooth and more are standard.

[WRXXX]

Originally Posted by alms211

Seriously?.....you select a Champion outfitted Porsche Turbo as your means of comparison? Do you even know who Champion is? Those wheels alone are $7-8K not to mention everything else the car has on it (see carbon fibre).

A well equipped new Turbo will run you about 145-150K. Like I said earlier, you can get one that is a year old for $115-120K. For a $25K price delta, I am taking a one year old Porsche 997 Turbo over a brand new GT-R all day, every day. There is nothing you, or anyone else, can say that will change my mind.

Maybe it was a wrong example by Chundae. But u can't really compare new and used. There's no denying a brand new decently optioned 911T will cost $150K (since Porshe nickle and dime everything). A new GT-R is $90K. That is still a $60K difference which is huge (enough for an additional M3). If one were to look for a used 1yr old 911t then it can be said a similarly used GT-R will run you $65K. Bigger savings even, at almost 1/2 price.