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      06-12-2020, 04:26 AM   #1
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Latest batch replica AG M359 compared to OEM 359M

Haven't seen a direct picture comparison between the Avant-Garde M359 replica wheels vs the OEM 359M, so here it is.

I ordered these AG M359 a while back to hold me off until I found an authentic set of ZCP 359M wheels. Long story short, the wheels were back-ordered and took longer than expected so while waiting I bought an authentic set of OEM 359Ms. The AG wheels finally arrived and here is a close-up comparison between the rep and OEM.

First impressions, as soon as I pulled the AG M359 wheels out of the box I could tell they were significantly lighter than the OEM ZCP wheels. I'm not sure about the previous stock but this latest batch from AG might be flow formed instead of low-pressure cast, my wheel shop thinks so because of the "rings" inside the barrels.

Putting them on the scale you can see the replica wheels from AG are more than 2 lbs lighter than the stock 359Ms in the front, and the rear, which was most surprising was over 3 lbs lighter per wheel compared to OEM. That's a total combined rotational mass savings of more than 10 lbs which is pretty significant. Another thing I found interesting was the front and rear AG M359 wheels weigh almost the same even though the rear is 1 inch wider.

The color on the AG wheels looks alright, the finish looks decent. Putting them side by side you can see the AG wheels are a little brighter generic hyper silver compared to OEM which has more luster and depth to the finish, almost like a pearlescent effect in different lighting which I think looks much better and less "cheap". The spokes on the AG wheels look softer compared to the OEM wheels which are more hard-edged, I can spot the difference right away.

What do you guys think? I think these are well-made wheels, the only thing that worries me is the finish over time so I'm going to have my trusty wheel shop redo them in satin black. The AG wheels also aren't 1:1 replicas of the OEM, the AG front wheel in size 19x9 +18 has a completely different face profile than the OEM 19x9 +31 and also the spokes as mentioned before are softer compared to the OEM.
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Nice comparison. Which one is which in the first few pix?
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Nice comparison. Which one is which in the first few pix?
Looks like the cleaner ones, on the left, are the reps.
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Damn this is interesting. That is a lot of weight. I've heard the OEM wheels are heavy than the forged 220s also... what other differences are there that would effect performance? What sacrifices would be made on performance outside of weight going with the AG?
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Damn this is interesting. That is a lot of weight. I've heard the OEM wheels are heavy than the forged 220s also... what other differences are there that would effect performance? What sacrifices would be made on performance outside of weight going with the AG?
People have complained about them bending easily but I had a set of AG M310 wheels on my Z4M for several years (and the new owner still runs them) without any issues for regular road duty.
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Nice comparison. Which one is which in the first few pix?
First 2 the AG is on the left, 3rd pic it's on top.
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I had a set of AG 359m and can tell you I bent 2 rims in 6 months. Not sure if they're made any different now a days. I'd be interested to see if they're flowformed now.
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Do the newer AG359's come in offsets exactly the same as OEM 359's?

I just sold a set of older AG359's as the front offset was more aggressive and I needed to run too much front negative camber to make them work.
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Do the newer AG359's come in offsets exactly the same as OEM 359's?

I just sold a set of older AG359's as the front offset was more aggressive and I needed to run too much front negative camber to make them work.
They still run the same offset as before, 19x9 +18 front and 19x10 +25 rear. For non-track use I think the offsets are great, you can just slap a 10mm spacer in the rear and have a nice flush setup. To get the same look with OEM ZCP you'll need like a 12mm spacer up front as well, I hate running spacers up front.

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Do the newer AG359's come in offsets exactly the same as OEM 359's?

I just sold a set of older AG359's as the front offset was more aggressive and I needed to run too much front negative camber to make them work.
They still run the same offset as before, 19x9.5 +18 front and 19x10.5 +25 rear. For non-track use I think the offsets are great, you can just slap a 10mm spacer in the rear and have a nice flush setup. To get the same look with OEM ZCP you'll need like a 12mm spacer up front as well, I hate running spacers up front.
Any performance issues with the AGs for track use compared to OEM? Also, wonder if these would look odd without Zcp suspension..
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Any performance issues with the AGs for track use compared to OEM? Also, wonder if these would look odd without Zcp suspension..
I wouldn't think so, the weight savings will probably help with track times if anything, I just mentioned non-track use because Longboarder had mentioned he used a set of AG wheels as his track set but because the offset was more aggressive in the front he couldn't run the camber settings that he wanted.

You could rock this at normal "civic" height but I think 359Ms look best with ZCP height or lower.
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They still run the same offset as before, 19x9.5 +18 front and 19x10.5 +25 rear. For non-track use I think the offsets are great, you can just slap a 10mm spacer in the rear and have a nice flush setup. To get the same look with OEM ZCP you'll need like a 12mm spacer up front as well, I hate running spacers up front.
19x9.5 +18 in the front is way too aggressive. You need to be running more than 3 degree of camber for it to be flush. +22 to +26 is more suited for street cars without camber plates.
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They’re not 9.5/10.5 ! They’re 19x9 +18 and 19x10 +25. Fronts are 13mm lower in offset vs OEM which is perfect since everyone runs 12 or 15mm spacers on the front
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Any performance issues with the AGs for track use compared to OEM? Also, wonder if these would look odd without Zcp suspension..
I wouldn't think so, the weight savings will probably help with track times if anything, I just mentioned non-track use because Longboarder had mentioned he used a set of AG wheels as his track set but because the offset was more aggressive in the front he couldn't run the camber settings that he wanted.

You could rock this at normal "civic" height but I think 359Ms look best with ZCP height or lower.
These are the AG's on my stock ZCP suspension with camber plates running around -3 front camber. And as I understand offset for the front the AG is +18 and the OEM ZCP is +31 so pretty big difference. No way you could run -3 front on OEMs.
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They still run the same offset as before, 19x9.5 +18 front and 19x10.5 +25 rear. For non-track use I think the offsets are great, you can just slap a 10mm spacer in the rear and have a nice flush setup. To get the same look with OEM ZCP you'll need like a 12mm spacer up front as well, I hate running spacers up front.
19x9.5 +18 in the front is way too aggressive. You need to be running more than 3 degree of camber for it to be flush. +22 to +26 is more suited for street cars without camber plates.
Incorrect.

The AG 19x9 +18 fits identical up front to using the rear OEM ZCPs (19x10 +25) up front, which is pretty much identical to the stock 19x9 ET31 & 15/18mm spacer combo everyone uses.

In summary, the AG 19X9 +18 will fit like a glove up front, no rubbing, and perfect flush fitment.
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Incorrect.

The AG 19x9 +18 fits identical up front to using the rear OEM ZCPs (19x10 +25) up front, which is pretty much identical to the stock 19x9 ET31 & 15/18mm spacer combo everyone uses.

In summary, the AG 19X9 +18 will fit like a glove up front, no rubbing, and perfect flush fitment.
I saw that he posted they are 19x9.5 +18. So yeah, that's the incorrect info given. Yeah, 19x9 +18 will fit up front.
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Incorrect.

The AG 19x9 +18 fits identical up front to using the rear OEM ZCPs (19x10 +25) up front, which is pretty much identical to the stock 19x9 ET31 & 15/18mm spacer combo everyone uses.

In summary, the AG 19X9 +18 will fit like a glove up front, no rubbing, and perfect flush fitment.
I saw that he posted they are 19x9.5 +18. So yeah, that's the incorrect info given. Yeah, 19x9 +18 will fit up front.
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Did you get these directly from AG or another vendor? Looking to replace 2 curbed rims.
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These are the AG's on my stock ZCP suspension with camber plates running around -3 front camber. And as I understand offset for the front the AG is +18 and the OEM ZCP is +31 so pretty big difference. No way you could run -3 front on OEMs.
Slightly off-topic question, what size bridgestones do you have mounted on this setup?
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These are the AG's on my stock ZCP suspension with camber plates running around -3 front camber. And as I understand offset for the front the AG is +18 and the OEM ZCP is +31 so pretty big difference. No way you could run -3 front on OEMs.
Slightly off-topic question, what size bridgestones do you have mounted on this setup?
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Haven't seen a direct picture comparison between the Avant-Garde M359 replica wheels vs the OEM 359M, so here it is.

I ordered these AG M359 a while back to hold me off until I found an authentic set of ZCP 359M wheels. Long story short, the wheels were back-ordered and took longer than expected so while waiting I bought an authentic set of OEM 359Ms. The AG wheels finally arrived and here is a close-up comparison between the rep and OEM.

First impressions, as soon as I pulled the AG M359 wheels out of the box I could tell they were significantly lighter than the OEM ZCP wheels. I'm not sure about the previous stock but this latest batch from AG might be flow formed instead of low-pressure cast, my wheel shop thinks so because of the "rings" inside the barrels.

Putting them on the scale you can see the replica wheels from AG are more than 2lbs lighter than the stock 359Ms in the front, and the rear, which was most surprising was over 3 lbs lighter per wheel compared to OEM. That's a total combined rotational mass savings of more than 10 lbs which is pretty significant. Another thing I found interested was the front and rear AG M359 wheels weigh almost the same even though the rear is 1 inch wider.

The color on the AG wheels looks alright, the finish looks decent. Putting them side by side you can clearly see the AG wheels are a little brighter generic hyper silver compared to OEM which has more luster and depth to the finish, almost like a pearlescent effect in different lighting which I think looks much better and less "cheap"

What do you guys think? I think these are well-made wheels, the only thing that worries me is the finish over time so I'm going to have my trusty wheel shop redo them in satin black.
Nice! AG and VMR's are great CSL replica wheels.

Lets see them mounted!
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