Won ebay auction at 60K for E90 M3, BMW of Lincoln refusing to honor

RX7owner · 03-23-2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEllis

Every BMW (not to mention every new car made) is 50 state legal for emissions. I am sure there was an adjustment period when certain cars had to be California specced, however those days are long gone....

Jason

Hi Jason,
Thanks for that. I'm sure that all new BMW's are 50 state cars, but I figured
I'd check what the California DMV has to say (Google is my friend):

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures...cts/ffvr29.htm

So it could still be an issue with some vehicles, but likely not BMW's.

mkoesel · 03-23-2008, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEllis

...(not to mention every new car made) is 50 state legal for emissions.

No JEllis, it turns out that is not true. Here's an example:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/ford...&y=12&action=1

Check near the bottom of the list there. Sure, all new cars (to my knowledge anyway - there may be a precious few exceptions) _can_ be specc'd to California emissions. But some manufacturers actually do have seperate equipment that goes only on California cars, probably because it adds cost.

BMW, I think, builds all cars 50 state legal. But again, I'm not for certain on that. At the very least, there is no Cali emissions equipment on the BMW option list, so that to me says its highly likely all BMW's are Cali legal

TimVFR · 03-23-2008, 10:10 PM

Has anyone noticed both their current eBay auctions for "used" cars have a reserved price in place?

botchka · 03-23-2008, 10:12 PM

And...this just made the front page of reddit. Yes, I posted it there for you:

http://reddit.com/info/6d4k9/comments/

GrFa · 03-23-2008, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stilig

You are forgetting your best avenue of help

BMWNA

Call customer service and explain the details, you will be incredibly surprised how fast things will be resolved and how fast the dealers attitude will change.

DITTO. Call BMWNA first thing tomorrow morning Dooma.

This dealership is tarnishing the BMW brand. I am sure NA will have something to say to them. As someone who works for a dealership this is disappointing because it makes all dealers look bad. I am sure NA will do something. Good luck!

IrvRobinson · 03-23-2008, 10:14 PM

most of the major blogs will have the story soon.

botchka · 03-23-2008, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laszlo

I'm not taking any sides here, so please don't flame me. I just have one simple questions.

Since I've read up on eBay's rules... I was wondering... How do you update the BIN several times when the BIN disappears when someone bids?

Reading through the eBay rules it looks like this only can happen once. Anyway, I'm just curious if this can be done.

The BIN doesn't disappear when someone bids. I haven't posted something for sale in awhile, but it's my understanding that you can change most of the pieces of the auction, as long as someone *hasn't* bid on it.

There was one and only one bid on this particular auction, which meant that the dealership could have changed the BIN as many times as they wanted up until the buyer placed his first bid (which could have been moments before it closed).

orangebyke · 03-23-2008, 10:19 PM

just picked up the story from 300zxclub.com link and joined to say good luc to the OP. i do alot of business on Ebay and feel that actions from sellers like these is what is sending the great buyers away.

EmmEff · 03-23-2008, 10:24 PM

Good luck from Southern Ontario, Canada!

This is just another example of a small fry salesman (big only in his own mind) not understanding the power of the Internet and it's community. Unfortunately, the dealer made the *stupid* mistake of not honoring the deal and they will pay dearly for it for a time to come! If only a few people don't buy from this dealer as a result of this bad publicity, more monetary loss will have accrued than selling your M3 to you at a price under list!

ideliver · 03-23-2008, 10:25 PM

Here are the ebay rules for altering auctions...it can be done after bids are made..

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/lower_price.html

TimVFR · 03-23-2008, 10:26 PM

They have had previous auctions on eBay dating back to 2006, so the "mistake" issue seems more like an excuse. Like most dealerships they were trying to get more significantly over MSRP, and got caught.

OC ///M · 03-23-2008, 10:28 PM

dooma:

you came to the right forum...

The evidence is clear that the dealer's representative monitoring the ad knew exactly what was going on...

On principal alone, it's good to see you have decided to stick with this, even if your time and efforts end up exceeding MSRP. This will have a big impact and may protect others from deceptive trading.

slimy dealer tactics

This thread is on fire...To all the "new members", Welcome!

-RAC · 03-23-2008, 10:34 PM

Good luck Dooma ... I also came over from Autoblog.

What is up with BMW dealerships? I had a BMW dealership in Boulder, CO (Gebhardt BMW) do a similar thing. Long story but the short version is I went to buy 07 M Coupe they had. They had a price listed on their own website and refused to honor that price. Instead they raised the price by $4k. When I pointed out the price was wrong and that they had a lower price on the website. They used the same old excuse, opps it was a mistake. How convenient that is for dealerships to do that. I also listed a complaint with the BBB. I know nothing will happen but it is good to get the word out about these stealerships.

Best of luck on getting the M3.

omerfar23 · 03-23-2008, 10:35 PM

did anyone see Phil's video on http://www.huskerbmw.com? BTW nice hair do Phil. We should all call BMW of Nebraska for update on this story tomorrow? This will annoy the hell out of them. jk.here the number for sales: 1 (866) 520-7950 ...

TheAcAvenger · 03-23-2008, 10:35 PM

As someone who lives on E90post, I hope they give you your car at $60k just so that all these supporters will stop slowing down our site! Geesh!

RacerRex · 03-23-2008, 10:40 PM

I can't keep up with this thread. Hope it works out..

Rick · 03-23-2008, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omerfar23

did anyone see Phil's video on http://www.huskerbmw.com? BTW nice hair do Phil. We should all call BMW of Nebraska for update on this story tomorrow? This will annoy the hell out of them. jk.here the number for sales: 1 (866) 520-7950 ...

Just saw the vid..

Apparently "Fil" has bigger problems than this eBay transaction... namely his haircut.

make sure you wait for the moneyshot at the end.

sweet baby jesus!

bradbmw · 03-23-2008, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omerfar23

did anyone Phil's video on http://www.huskerbmw.com? BTW nice hair do Phil.

We should all call BMW of Nebraska for update on this story tomorrow? This will annoy the hell out of them. jk.

Sales: 1 (866) 520-7950 ...

Car is listed on their website for $68,920.00...what a deal.

posted story on www.solsticeforum.com

OC ///M · 03-23-2008, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAcAvenger

As someone who lives on E90post, I hope they give you your car at $60k just so that all these supporters will stop slowing down our site! Geesh!

mkoesel · 03-23-2008, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimVFR

Has anyone noticed both their current eBay auctions for "used" cars have a reserved price in place?

Yep - but not true for past auctions. Check it out (and you'll need an EBay ID to see this):

Past Husker EBay Auctions

In particular, here's one that fits the same patterns at the OP's M3 auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lexus...QQcmdZViewItem

"LOWEST ON EBAY" and no reserve. These guys knew *exactly* what they were doing.

takedown8 · 03-23-2008, 10:48 PM

Wow. Read through the whole thing! Support here from a zposter and a Canadian!

Exact same thing happened to a friend of mine who won an auction for a Civic on ebay. The guy basically said, "I can't sell it to you for that price. But I can sell it to you for ______" (basically a couple thousand dollars more). My friend basically just let it go even though I told him to fight it. So you're doing the right thing!

I think other car dealerships should pay attention. Yes, dooma, you are right on this, but I think the reason why this is getting so much coverage, support, and outrage is because we've all been screwed or have had a dealer try to screw us at some point in our lives.

If dealers were honest and fair, this backlash wouldn't nearly have been as harsh. I look forward to your getting the M3!!

normtrum · 03-23-2008, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron21

Some people here really need to first understand how ebay works before saying "error, mistake etc.."

The auction started on March 17th and ended on the 20th. That gave the seller 3 days to decide on the selling price.

As we saw the seller made several revisions to the auction including directly to the price of the car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=230233277471

So that tells me that the seller was fully aware of the auction and it's activity. There were no surprises.

They could have simply canceled that entire auction and removed the bids, for what ever reason they didn't.

At this point I really think the dealer should honor the auction and sell the car.

It took 18+ pages and finally a post that made 100% sense to me....and from a new guy!! Seriouslly...this is spot on. For you very few out there suggesting there was a "mistake" made.....read this guy's post again. First of all, it is highly unlikely that someone would make a mistake with this type of money invloved. BELIEVE ME....THIS GUY TOOK HIS TIME WHEN HE TYPED IN THE NUMBERS TO INITIATE THIS AUCTION!!! Second, the guy could have pulled the M3 from auction FOR 3 DAYS!!!!! Lastly, the dealer called the guy with the "winning bid" within seconds after the auction ended.....because he knew he got burned!!!!

Please stop suggesting that a "mistake" was made....it clearly wasn't.

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EmmEff Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: '07 Accord Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada iTrader: (0)	Good luck from Southern Ontario, Canada! This is just another example of a small fry salesman (big only in his own mind) not understanding the power of the Internet and it's community. Unfortunately, the dealer made the stupid mistake of not honoring the deal and they will pay dearly for it for a time to come! If only a few people don't buy from this dealer as a result of this bad publicity, more monetary loss will have accrued than selling your M3 to you at a price under list!
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TimVFR Registered 0 Rep 4 Posts Drives: Dodge Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Hawaii iTrader: (0)	They have had previous auctions on eBay dating back to 2006, so the "mistake" issue seems more like an excuse. Like most dealerships they were trying to get more significantly over MSRP, and got caught.
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OC ///M Dr. Octagon 260 Rep 1,919 Posts Drives: Moonstone e92 M3 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South County iTrader: (0)	dooma: you came to the right forum... The evidence is clear that the dealer's representative monitoring the ad knew exactly what was going on... On principal alone, it's good to see you have decided to stick with this, even if your time and efforts end up exceeding MSRP. This will have a big impact and may protect others from deceptive trading. slimy dealer tactics This thread is on fire...To all the "new members", Welcome! __________________ OC ///M 2013 E92 M3 Individual Sold: 2011 E92 M3 SSII \| Sold: 2008 E92 M3 SSII \| Into a Wall: 2008 E92 M3 SSII \| Sold: 2007 E92 335i JB
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-RAC Enlisted Member 2 Rep 35 Posts Drives: 996 C4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: somewhere iTrader: (0)	Good luck Dooma ... I also came over from Autoblog. What is up with BMW dealerships? I had a BMW dealership in Boulder, CO (Gebhardt BMW) do a similar thing. Long story but the short version is I went to buy 07 M Coupe they had. They had a price listed on their own website and refused to honor that price. Instead they raised the price by $4k. When I pointed out the price was wrong and that they had a lower price on the website. They used the same old excuse, opps it was a mistake. How convenient that is for dealerships to do that. I also listed a complaint with the BBB. I know nothing will happen but it is good to get the word out about these stealerships. Best of luck on getting the M3.
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takedown8 Major 56 Rep 1,068 Posts Drives: 2005 BMW Z4 3.0i Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (0)	Wow. Read through the whole thing! Support here from a zposter and a Canadian! Exact same thing happened to a friend of mine who won an auction for a Civic on ebay. The guy basically said, "I can't sell it to you for that price. But I can sell it to you for ______" (basically a couple thousand dollars more). My friend basically just let it go even though I told him to fight it. So you're doing the right thing! I think other car dealerships should pay attention. Yes, dooma, you are right on this, but I think the reason why this is getting so much coverage, support, and outrage is because we've all been screwed or have had a dealer try to screw us at some point in our lives. If dealers were honest and fair, this backlash wouldn't nearly have been as harsh. I look forward to your getting the M3!!
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