StopTech Trophy Race vs Sport

[surlynkid]

Yes, the race hardware does help prevent knockback. That is correct. I want everything able to float as much as possible. Sally could not even hear the clicking until I pulled a wheel and spun the rotor by hand. You have to know what you are listening for and pay attention.

[surlynkid]

Oh yeah - tracking and reducing costs is a total oxymoron. Don't even put those two things together. Costs are high for everything if you do it right. ST40 at all 4 corners is an interesting concept for rotating pads. As they get thin, just move them to the back. I want the biggest brakes possible and wouldn't do it, but I understand the logic. I think you can also run 17's if you do that.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by surlynkid

I have the race hardware on my rotors. It allows axial movement of the rotors as they heat/cool. The little bit of clicking at low speeds is not an issue to me. You can hear it at low speeds though. Really low - like 5-10mph. If you track the car, they are worth it and no cost difference. My car comes off the track with the front rotors smoking. If you are a poser, just get those plastic covers that fit over your calipers that mimic a BBK and save your $$$.

I need new front rotors for my standard stoptech st40. Is there mounting hardware that would make my rotors race. Track only car so don't care about clicking or extra noise.

[surlynkid]

Yes. Just order trophy friction rings. They will come with race hardware. That is all I did. You can find part numbers from Zeckhausen

[1MOREMOD]

Do trophies come in 355x32?

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by surlynkid

Yes, the race hardware does help prevent knockback. That is correct. I want everything able to float as much as possible. Sally could not even hear the clicking until I pulled a wheel and spun the rotor by hand. You have to know what you are listening for and pay attention.

Awesome, thank you. Seems like it's really not a big deal, then.

Originally Posted by bdaddylo

Ease of maintenance, yes. Reducing cost, not really. Replacement parts cost more especially pads. Supposedly, the larger ST-60 pads should have longer life than the ST-40, but the ST-60 pads are more expensive.

Originally Posted by surlynkid

Oh yeah - tracking and reducing costs is a total oxymoron. Don't even put those two things together. Costs are high for everything if you do it right. ST40 at all 4 corners is an interesting concept for rotating pads. As they get thin, just move them to the back. I want the biggest brakes possible and wouldn't do it, but I understand the logic. I think you can also run 17's if you do that.

Sorry, guys. I should have specified that when I meant "reducing costs" it was relative to my current Brembo kit. The StopTech friction rings and pads are much cheaper than the equivalent units from Brembo.

Track fees, insurance, tires, fluids, travel, brake parts, it gets expensive quickly. Seemed to me replacing the Brembos with a Trophy kit might be a way to reduce my costs a little without giving up any brake performance.

[surlynkid]

I was told by ThunderMoose that stoptech friction rings will bolt up to Brembo hats or maybe it was that the hat/ring combo can be used instead of Brembo. Either way, check it out and save some money.

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Do trophies come in 355x32?

Yes, there is a rear kit that uses that ring for our cars.

I notice the noise very, very seldom on the street. It was more frequent when the rotors were new and, presumably, the slots in the rings weren't full of road debris and brake dust

[aus]

Stoptech race pads are awesome too.
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[1MOREMOD]

Stoptech site itself lists only 1 part number says it's for trophy or regular not differentiation for race hardware for trophy rotors?

[surlynkid]

Their website stinks for this kind of thing. Check with Zeckhausen for the part numbers. I have the part numbers and can post them tomorrow evening. Mine are for 380x35 friction rings with race hardware.

[1MOREMOD]

Not actually any hurry I will pm you towards end of summer when ready to replace them, gonna run at least 1 more set of pads on these rotors.

[surlynkid]

Found it.

The part numbers for the 380x35mm friction rings with race hardware are:

31.846.1101.87

and

31.846.1102.87

[1MOREMOD]

Okay mines 355x32

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by Hujan

Contemplating a move to a BBK that will enhance my tracking experience by reducing cost of consumables and making maintenance easier...

Why are you considering the RACE hardware then? The lack of a dust boot means you should rebuild the caliper once a year.

[surlynkid]

Race hardware and boots are two separate thing and don't have to be mutually inclusive. You can get the hardware and keep the boots.

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by surlynkid

Race hardware and boots are two separate thing and don't have to be mutually inclusive. You can get the hardware and keep the boots.

This is exactly what Turner told me as well.

When I meant "ease of maintenance," I was mostly referring to pad swaps. It's much easier to swap pads on the ST kits than the Brembo kits, obviously.

[flipm3]

Originally Posted by JAJ

Things have changed a lot over the last few years. Real "race" kits these days have stainless steel or titanium piston tops, no dust boots, and no anti-rattle hardware on the rotors or in the caliper. I have the Brembo Club Race kit on my GT500 and they clunk and bang every time I go over a bump. There's a wide range of race pads available for them but nobody makes street pads that fit. Well, almost - Carbotech will make them in a size that's close enough that fits the caliper but not the rotor, but that's about it.

The Brembo Club Race kit is such a stellar option for any application that it's available for. I've had the chance to work with them in the BMW E46 M3 application quite a bit. Just wanted to clarify a couple things though.

All Brembo Club Race BBK's can be supplied with TS20 Street/Track pads as standard when requested. On my current Brembo GT BBK, I run the TS20 daily and once in awhile on the track, when I don't have time to switch to my RE10 track dedicated pads. When inquiring with Brembo about their Club Race BBK, I was told that TS20 pads are also available for that product line application. The TS20 is incredibly dead silent, pleasant, and actually has really good cold initial bite!

A loud race BBK that gets used on the street occasionally was concerning to me too. So I inquired about any potential noises that may arise. I was told that they can use McLaren "anti-rattle" hardware to substantially reduce clunking and banging noises to make them much more pleasant on the street. Full race hardware is also available upon request.

With that being said, I'd love to get a Brembo Club Race Kit for our E90 M3

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by flipm3

The Brembo Club Race kit is such a stellar option for any application that it's available for. I've had the chance to work with them in the BMW E46 M3 application quite a bit. Just wanted to clarify a couple things though.

All Brembo Club Race BBK's can be supplied with TS20 Street/Track pads as standard when requested. On my current Brembo GT BBK, I run the TS20 daily and once in awhile on the track, when I don't have time to switch to my RE10 track dedicated pads. When inquiring with Brembo about their Club Race BBK, I was told that TS20 pads are also available for that product line application. The TS20 is incredibly dead silent, pleasant, and actually has really good cold initial bite!

A loud race BBK that gets used on the street occasionally was concerning to me too. So I inquired about any potential noises that may arise. I was told that they can use McLaren "anti-rattle" hardware to substantially reduce clunking and banging noises to make them much more pleasant on the street. Full race hardware is also available upon request.

With that being said, I'd love to get a Brembo Club Race Kit for our E90 M3

Glad you posted this. I was actually looking at the Brembo 365/345 kit instead of the StopTech Trophy. My plan was to run it with the TE-20 pads from Race Technologies. From their description, it sounded like a very good dual-duty pad for the weekend warrior like me. I'm really glad to hear it is quiet and has good cold bite. How is the dust?

I am really curious how the TE-20 might compare to the Endless MX-72. Any experience there?

[flipm3]

Originally Posted by Hujan

Glad you posted this. I was actually looking at the Brembo 365/345 kit instead of the StopTech Trophy. My plan was to run it with the TE-20 pads from Race Technologies. From their description, it sounded like a very good dual-duty pad for the weekend warrior like me. I'm really glad to hear it is quiet and has good cold bite. How is the dust?

I am really curious how the TE-20 might compare to the Endless MX-72. Any experience there?

The Brembo 365/345 is such a great kit, especially with it's versatility in wheel fitment! Consumables are also a little less than the respective 380mm kits.

The TS20 works VERY well for dual duty. I've tried the PFC Z-Rated which honestly did not live up to the hype. The pad is still very low dust despite it's awesome bite and modulation.

The TS20 and MX72 would certainly be an interesting comparison, but I don't have any first hand personal experience. I'll reach out to a few people that I know whose had experience with the Endless compound.

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by flipm3

The Brembo 365/345 is such a great kit, especially with it's versatility in wheel fitment! Consumables are also a little less than the respective 380mm kits.

The TS20 works VERY well for dual duty. I've tried the PFC Z-Rated which honestly did not live up to the hype. The pad is still very low dust despite it's awesome bite and modulation.

The TS20 and MX72 would certainly be an interesting comparison, but I don't have any first hand personal experience. I'll reach out to a few people that I know whose had experience with the Endless compound.

Thanks, flip! I really appreciate your insight! Now I just need to figure out caliper color.