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      08-26-2018, 08:30 AM   #67
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Tried to put a YouTube vid of a e46 up against a new type r with tune. Both had good tires. The e46 walked the type r. It was driven by a guy with no ability to use his legs either.
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I would take a clean E46 M3 all day long over that new civic...it looks hideous and overpriced...just my opinion ofcourse, Iím sure people say the same about M3s
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Tried to put a YouTube vid of a e46 up against a new type r with tune. Both had good tires. The e46 walked the type r. It was driven by a guy with no ability to use his legs either.
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Tried to put a YouTube vid of a e46 up against a new type r with tune. Both had good tires. The e46 walked the type r. It was driven by a guy with no ability to use his legs either.
So he gas, brake, shift and steering all with his hands and still manage to win? Impressive!
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      08-26-2018, 08:53 PM   #71
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If you really had to ask this question, then sell the M3 as it is absolutely not the car for you... It's being wasted, let someone else actually enjoy and appreciate the car.
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      08-28-2018, 09:54 AM   #72
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Tried to put a YouTube vid of a e46 up against a new type r with tune. Both had good tires. The e46 walked the type r. It was driven by a guy with no ability to use his legs either.
I'd like to see this race with an E9X M3 in the mix.
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      09-17-2018, 09:20 PM   #73
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If you really had to ask this question, then sell the M3 as it is absolutely not the car for you... It's being wasted, let someone else actually enjoy and appreciate the car.
Agreed.

if you're even CONTEMPLATING a Civic Type R to replace your M3, then yes, it's time to move on. You must not be able to truly appreciate the charm of an E9X if the Civic Type R is a possible replacement.
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      09-17-2018, 10:05 PM   #74
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The two cars are extremely different and it just depends on what your needs are. The e92 is aging in every department except looks (I still think its one of the best looking cars) The Type R is a great all around vehicle. Surprisingly comfortable and can take it to the track on the weekends and set some ridiculous times. Low end power is much more usable on a daily commute. going back to back you definitely notice the power difference. Sound like based on your needs the Type R would be a perfect car for you. Although you'll miss that V8! I currently own both cars =]

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      09-17-2018, 10:33 PM   #75
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      09-18-2018, 11:17 PM   #76
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Just to close on the "smokes an M3 on the track" statement...

Randy P turned a 1:44.22 at Laguna in the CTR. Compared to a 1:42.96 he did almost 10 years ago in the E92 M3. If you consider that the CTR is on modern tires, it's more fair to say the M3 smoked the CTR.

That said, it's an impressive lap time. I've seen HPDE lap times of around 1:42 with a CTR that has a tune (+50 or so HP) and R-comps on YouTube so with a bit of tinkering, it can get pretty close.

BTW, the new M5 ran in the 1:39's. Not bad for a 4000lb car.
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Just to close on the "smokes an M3 on the track" statement...

Randy P turned a 1:44.22 at Laguna in the CTR. Compared to a 1:42.96 he did almost 10 years ago in the E92 M3. If you consider that the CTR is on modern tires, it's more fair to say the M3 smoked the CTR.

That said, it's an impressive lap time. I've seen HPDE lap times of around 1:42 with a CTR that has a tune (+50 or so HP) and R-comps on YouTube so with a bit of tinkering, it can get pretty close.

BTW, the new M5 ran in the 1:39's. Not bad for a 4000lb car.
Correct, also when you consider that the E92M3 was on Contisportcontact 3s, a mediocre tire even back then.
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Smoke an E92 M3? I don't think so. It barely beat an M235i at Streets of Willow and that track favors lighter cars.
https://www.motor1.com/features/1434...e-r-lap-times/

The Civic Type R (7min 43s) destroys a regular E92 M3 by 22 seconds on the Ring! It even beats the E92 M3 GTS and M4 by 3-6 seconds. 22 seconds is smoked IMO.
So how often would you say you drive the ring? Or any racetrack for that matter?
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So how often would you say you drive the ring? Or any racetrack for that matter?
Why do you ask? I've driven the ring a couple laps in a rental car one day many years ago. Tracked my former 300ZXTT & NSX multiple times at Roebling & Carolina Motorsports Park. I even modded my GMC Syclone and tracked it, lol. Most recent was tracking a rental 458 & R8. Ironically, the 458 is what convinced me to get a DCT in my next car. Haven't been in many years due to kids and work though. Looking to get back out in the next year with the E92 M3 I purchased last year once I get the bearings done, new set of tires and put on some new pads (my Rotora pads actually faded on the street). Also looking for a new exhaust since I expect the Akra will be too much sound for Laguna. It took me 6 months to get the car smog worthy which was a serious delay but it takes time to get everything prepped.
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So how often would you say you drive the ring? Or any racetrack for that matter?
Why do you ask? I've driven the ring a couple laps in a rental car one day many years ago. Tracked my former 300ZXTT & NSX multiple times at Roebling & Carolina Motorsports Park. I even modded my GMC Syclone and tracked it, lol. Most recent was tracking a rental 458 & R8. Ironically, the 458 is what convinced me to get a DCT in my next car. Haven't been in many years due to kids and work though. Looking to get back out in the next year with the E92 M3 I purchased last year once I get the bearings done, new set of tires and put on some new pads (my Rotora pads actually faded on the street). Also looking for a new exhaust since I expect the Akra will be too much sound for Laguna. It took me 6 months to get the car smog worthy which was a serious delay but it takes time to get everything prepped.
Your original post said you don't track and you're saying let's get a CTR because it beats the M3 at the ring. I didn't follow the logic.
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      09-19-2018, 03:06 AM   #81
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Your original post said you don't track and you're saying let's get a CTR because it beats the M3 at the ring. I didn't follow the logic.
I think you misread my comment or are mixing up comments? I'm not sure where I said I don't track and I only stated some facts regarding lap times, not a preference for the CTR. I also posted in this thread, "Would I trade my M for a CTR? ...NO." I do appreciate the CTR for what it is though.
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This is exactly right. I tossed some 255/275 Cup2's and Euro MDM on a stock e92 ZCP DCT and it absolutely transformed the car on the track.
255/35/19 & 275/35/19? I'm looking at 265/30/19 & 295/30/19 Cup2's on 9.5/10.5 wheels. I thought I remember someone posting the 275's were dangerous as they were a Merc spec but they only found out after they had problems?
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This is exactly right. I tossed some 255/275 Cup2's and Euro MDM on a stock e92 ZCP DCT and it absolutely transformed the car on the track.
255/35/19 & 275/35/19? I'm looking at 265/30/19 & 295/30/19 Cup2's on 9.5/10.5 wheels. I thought I remember someone posting the 275's were dangerous as they were a Merc spec but they only found out after they had problems?
I thought you could get 265/30/19 and 285/30/19 cup2's to fit on stock 359 wheels with stock zcp suspension. Yes Merc or other manufacturer spec but people have been doing this successfully for years on the street/track no issues.
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I've been a Type R hater since the first time seeing it, but this might be the first one I've seen in black. Maybe its a good angle, but I have to say, the black seems to tone down and tie together the eccentric styling. Delete the rear wing and I could get used to this. Good looking cars, thanks for sharing!
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Your original post said you don't track and you're saying let's get a CTR because it beats the M3 at the ring. I didn't follow the logic.
I think you misread my comment or are mixing up comments? I'm not sure where I said I don't track and I only stated some facts regarding lap times, not a preference for the CTR. I also posted in this thread, "Would I trade my M for a CTR? ...NO." I do appreciate the CTR for what it is though.
Yep, sorry. Totally goofed. OP said it is faster than M3 on the ring but then you posted the link. Reading is fundamental. My bad.
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CTR is great as long as you don't take it to the track.

It has a lot of problems with overheating and you need a lot of cooling modifications to keep it from overheating on track.

But on the street, it should be an entertaining car. The ride is also supposed to be very comfortable.
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BE bearings and bolts - $750
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Total - $1,975 + tax. Add an extra $240 if your shop insists this job takes them 10 hours and you're at around $2,200.
Geez, if you only know the labor rate here in San Francisco area. $120 an hour is dirt cheap! $2500-3000 is the going rate around here.
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I've been a Type R hater since the first time seeing it, but this might be the first one I've seen in black. Maybe its a good angle, but I have to say, the black seems to tone down and tie together the eccentric styling. Delete the rear wing and I could get used to this. Good looking cars, thanks for sharing!
One of the main reasons I went with black, It really does tone down a lot of the over the top design features of the car. Getting rid of the 100 different red accents also helped =] For a while I ran 513m wheels off an m4 on it and it looked pretty sweet.

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