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      07-12-2018, 07:30 PM   #1
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Lotus Evora

I'm considering picking up a used Lotus Evora S 2+2 in the near future as a fun, weekend/track ride. (keeping the M3, of course!) Anyone with any experience with these cars?
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They are awesome. Make’s the M3 suspension tuning feel like a horse and buggy!
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I've talked to a few owners at track days -- they all seem to love the car. The underlying Toyota motor is probably pretty damn reliable, but the rest of it seems questionable.

BTW, don't fall for the "2+2" meme. The rear seat is literally unusable. I saw it in person last month at a track day; the guy could barely fit his helmet bag onto the seat, let alone a person with legs.
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They are awesome. Make’s the M3 suspension tuning feel like a horse and buggy!
That's what I've heard... everything from turn in to steering feel is on another level.

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I've talked to a few owners at track days -- they all seem to love the car. The underlying Toyota motor is probably pretty damn reliable, but the rest of it seems questionable.

BTW, don't fall for the "2+2" meme. The rear seat is literally unusable. I saw it in person last month at a track day; the guy could barely fit his helmet bag onto the seat, let alone a person with legs.
Yes... the Toyota motor is actually a big selling point for me. And the interior seems pretty spartan, but it has a purposeful look to it. I definitely wouldn't have anyone in the back seat, but it is nice to have a spot for a briefcase/backpack, etc...
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I like Lotus conceptually

The idea of paying sports car money for a car with a 4 banger engine based off of a econobox simply does not compute though, but that's just me.

I've been in the Evora 400 instructing. It seems fine, no complaints
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I like Lotus conceptually

The idea of paying sports car money for a car with a 4 banger engine based off of a econobox simply does not compute though, but that's just me.

I've been in the Evora 400 instructing. It seems fine, no complaints
So based on your thinking what does that make S55 motor used in Current M cars since its based off N55 motor thats been used in over 20 different model since its introduction. The most reliable part on that Lotus is its 4 banger econobox engine Im just saying. And of all the four banger Motors they could have picked from they chose a Toyota I wonder why.
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So based on your thinking what does that make S55 motor used in Current M cars since its based off N55 motor thats been used in over 20 different model since its introduction. The most reliable part on that Lotus is its 4 banger econobox engine Im just saying. And of all the four banger Motors they could have picked from they chose a Toyota I wonder why.
Hehe

What do i call the S55? A 6 cylinder engine

What do i call the lotus engine? A 4 cylinder

There is a clear and inequivocal difference in engine feel between a 4 cyl and a 6 cyl. Starting by the I6 being a balanced engine while the 4 cylinder is not

So lets be clear: i do not want **any** 4 cylinder engine. They are all unworthy of being in a sports car. I don't care if it's the boxster 718s, a mini cooper s or the toyota microcar engine.

The s55 or n55 may be pieces of shit as well, but a 6 cylinder piece of shit is orders of magnitude better than a 4 cylinder piece of shit

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I like Lotus conceptually

The idea of paying sports car money for a car with a 4 banger engine based off of a econobox simply does not compute though, but that's just me.

I've been in the Evora 400 instructing. It seems fine, no complaints

I believe the Evora has a 3.5 liter v6.
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I believe the Evora has a 3.5 liter v6.
This. All this 4 banger talk is moot. It uses a revised Toyota 2GR-FE and the "S" is Evora S is for "Supercharged"
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Hehe

What do i call the S55? A 6 cylinder engine

What do i call the lotus engine? A 4 cylinder

There is a clear and inequivocal difference in engine feel between a 4 cyl and a 6 cyl. Starting by the I6 being a balanced engine while the 4 cylinder is not

So lets be clear: i do not want **any** 4 cylinder engine. They are all unworthy of being in a sports car. I don't care if it's the boxster 718s, a mini cooper s or the toyota microcar engine.

The s55 or n55 may be pieces of shit as well, but a 6 cylinder piece of shit is orders of magnitude better than a 4 cylinder piece of shit
It uses 3.5 L Toyota 2GR-FE Supercharged V6 so once again im just quoting you "The s55 or n55 may be pieces of shit as well, but a 6 cylinder piece of shit is orders of magnitude better than a 4 cylinder piece of shit" but I guess its still a piece of shit.

Just for clarification which is larger turd 2GR-FE or N55/S55 or are they equally shity oh and then you have those other two 6 cyl shity Motors 2JZ and GTR 3.8 L VR38DETT. And of course all those shity 6 cyl Motors they put into Porsches for all those years what were they thinking.
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Like I mentioned before, the Toyota drivetrain is a plus to me. There's something to be said about inherent reliability and easy to find parts.

On another note, I got a chance to look at some 2017 Evora 400s today and I was impressed. Apparently the 2017 cars have a lot of improvements in braking, interior, and the front end is a bit more aggressive.
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My bad, the Evora has a 6 cyl engine. For some reason I was thinking of the 1.8L engine of the smaller Lotus', not the 6 cyl.

However, again, V6 engines are unbalanced, coarse engines. But if you can't feel if the difference between that and an I6 then go ahead.

There have been good 6 cyl engines throughout history that are V6, which is nice, but it is still an inferior design to the I6.
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If you get a “S” look into Komotec. They have a 460 hp package that is a pulley, tune, and exhaust. I was a passenger in one...unreal! If thinking about a 400, read this...you will want one as bad as me.

http://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/216...acks-at-a-time
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OP - The Lotus will be a better handing car than anything BMW makes right now. Smoking Tire had a loaner and did a series of track videos which are worth a watch. There are other compromises from driving a low volume niche car like a Lotus but if you want a pure sportscar your looking in the right direction.

As for it being a V6 not an I6, who cares? Its a very good engine by all accounts. The fact it's in the car in the first place should be celebrated.
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OP - The Lotus will be a better handing car than anything BMW makes right now. Smoking Tire had a loaner and did a series of track videos which are worth a watch. There are other compromises from driving a low volume niche car like a Lotus but if you want a pure sportscar your looking in the right direction.

As for it being a V6 not an I6, who cares? Its a very good engine by all accounts. The fact it's in the car in the first place should be celebrated.
I had the Evora in mind already, but the Drive/Smoking Tire series was what really piqued my interest! And you're right... the Evora would come with its own set of quirks, but it has a very "exotic" vibe to it.
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If your looking new, I can't see the value over a Cayman GT4.

Used? The Evoras have come a really long way since the S. They aren't all the same car. We see several here in Portland at track days, but theres a dealer in town thats very supportive. I hear the dealer is pretty unique.
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If your looking new, I can't see the value over a Cayman GT4.

Used? The Evoras have come a really long way since the S. They aren't all the same car. We see several here in Portland at track days, but theres a dealer in town thats very supportive. I hear the dealer is pretty unique.
The last GT4s were made in 2016. (the 718 won't be out until late next year) Used GT4s are anywhere from $110K-$130K. The relatively loaded 2017 Evova 400 6MT at my local dealership can be had for around $90K. And good luck getting the 718 GT4 at anywhere near MSRP.

But your comment on the changes to the 2017/400 is spot-on. That's why I'm looking at the 400 now.
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FYI for anyone who hasn't seen this piece on the Evora 400:

http://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/216...acks-at-a-time
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The last GT4s were made in 2016. (the 718 won't be out until late next year) Used GT4s are anywhere from $110K-$130K. The relatively loaded 2017 Evova 400 6MT at my local dealership can be had for around $90K. And good luck getting the 718 GT4 at anywhere near MSRP.

But your comment on the changes to the 2017/400 is spot-on. That's why I'm looking at the 400 now.
I meant a 2016, used, GT4. They're all around for $90-105 if you are a serious buyer. There are also a number of dealerships still that you could probably get a 718 GT4 allocation for MSRP, but again- you need to be a serious buyer willing to call 30 dealers, put down a deposit now, and follow through when they finally call next year. I'm on the list for 3 different Porsche cars over the next 8 years and they're all within the allocation numbers of the dealer, but I've given deposits and I'm OK with the wait.

If you enjoy Matt Farrah's stuff, you'll catch that he just did a 718 GTS vs 2016 GT4 comparo and seemed to feel the 718 GTS was faster even possibly on a track. Short of the 6-cyl wail of the GT4, thats a really compelling package too.
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Used GT4s are anywhere from $110K-$130K.

this was true 1-2 years ago. not anymore.
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