G87 M2 will have manual and automatic transmission, CF roof, options like M3/M4

spuntyb · 05-21-2021, 10:34 AM

This sounds like the perfect car

R N M · 05-21-2021, 10:40 AM

M2 sounds like it’s going to be amazing car unfortunately it’s screwed over by not having a DCT. The auto transmission is just not as engaging. This might be the last manual transmission BMW ever made.

I would definitely be interested in CS version as a long term keeper depending on if i like the styling.

swampfox94 · 05-21-2021, 10:54 AM

If this is as good as it seems it might be I'll be picking up the LCI version a few years down the road

AndyinHou · 05-21-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Reposting these G87 M2 updates in this thread.

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Originally Posted by lemetier

Size doesn't increase dramatically with the exception of track/body width. G42 is as wide as current F87 with G87 increased even further. The G87 is going to be a rather special car. It will be the final non-hybridized ICE volume production model released, starting with a 450ps 6MT Pure.

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Originally Posted by MR.

Just to let you know guys... I am not following this topic since I am too busy, but I got some new info.

Individual colors will be available on 2-Series and M2. 1-Series can be ordered with individual colors from September onwards. After three years of hearing it is coming, it is finally there. Production for Europe will be at Leipzig, and US markets will be in Mexico. They will divide it between those two factories.

Also G87 will have a head-up display for those of you who would love that feature. That is next to the carbon roof as an option, the choice between manual and automatic gearboxes and all the other interior features we have seen from the new M3 and M4.

S58 up front producing around 440 hp and other than that a similar power train set up to the M3 and M4. If I have more info, I will share it here.

MR

Has there been any mention or hint to a competition variant? I assume it would have a separate production reference?

Audio Fan · 05-21-2021, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NickyC

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Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

Wife can't drive stick

Unless she has a disability making it physically impossible (saying that with all respect as I don't know her situation), that issue can be fixed in less than an hour in an empty parking lot.

Winner - overstatement of the year 🏆

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///M TOWN · 05-21-2021, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyinHou

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Reposting these G87 M2 updates in this thread.

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Originally Posted by lemetier

Size doesn't increase dramatically with the exception of track/body width. G42 is as wide as current F87 with G87 increased even further. The G87 is going to be a rather special car. It will be the final non-hybridized ICE volume production model released, starting with a 450ps 6MT Pure.

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Originally Posted by MR.

Just to let you know guys... I am not following this topic since I am too busy, but I got some new info.

Individual colors will be available on 2-Series and M2. 1-Series can be ordered with individual colors from September onwards. After three years of hearing it is coming, it is finally there. Production for Europe will be at Leipzig, and US markets will be in Mexico. They will divide it between those two factories.

Also G87 will have a head-up display for those of you who would love that feature. That is next to the carbon roof as an option, the choice between manual and automatic gearboxes and all the other interior features we have seen from the new M3 and M4.

S58 up front producing around 440 hp and other than that a similar power train set up to the M3 and M4. If I have more info, I will share it here.

MR

Has there been any mention or hint to a competition variant? I assume it would have a separate production reference?

Hint, hint

xmanpro · 05-21-2021, 11:38 AM

Finally a HUD. Thank you bmw.

SoCali E36 · 05-21-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bee500

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Originally Posted by ScullyD

Is anyone still under the belief that the DCT is not gone? Time to move on to reality.

Wonder if there will ever be a new version of a DCT. Gonna miss the drama of those gear changes.

DCT is gone the same way the HPS has. And it's because future hybrid platforms will be easier to mate with the ZF than the DCT. All these self driving and parking features were the death of the HPS.

ubchariot · 05-21-2021, 11:50 AM

Bring the carbon bucket seats to G87 as well!

N54B30A · 05-21-2021, 12:23 PM

ZF8? no dct. I guess ill be getting the F87 considering it looks 10X better. The ZF8 is such a cost cut. Shifts like 2.5 times slower than the MDCT. Such a shame bmw is moving away from the DCT imagine if porsche did the same.

Multimodal · 05-21-2021, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by N54B30A

ZF8? no dct. I guess ill be getting the F87 considering it looks 10X better. The ZF8 is such a cost cut. Shifts like 2.5 times slower than the MDCT. Such a shame bmw is moving away from the DCT imagine if porsche did the same.

That is not the experience of G80 M3 owners who have owned F87s and Porsches in the past.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1827570

DFW_M · 05-21-2021, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

That is not the experience of G80 M3 owners who have owned F87s and Porsches in the past.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1827570

(Super) Fast shifts are a must being stuck on 101 for 3 hours every day

///M TOWN · 05-21-2021, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DFW_M2C

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Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

That is not the experience of G80 M3 owners who have owned F87s and Porsches in the past.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1827570

(Super) Fast shifts are a must being stuck on 101 for 3 hours every day

I'd move

Screw that

Andrae26 · 05-21-2021, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by frankiebones

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Originally Posted by V-Eight

ok the right car with a manual gerabox to buy to put in the garage "before it's too late" as electric cars are coming....

I also am planning on buying a manual to keep forever (or until they outlaw gasoline sales) but it won't be a dual purpose passenger car/performance car. It will be a Porsche with a roll cage lol.

Start hoarding gasoline from now lol.

as7920 · 05-21-2021, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mbanck

No XDrive, at least initially (and probably for quite a while then or likely forever): https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=884

Which is both ridiculous and a shame at the same time. As there is car, the M240i xDrive that sits below it and an M3 xDrive that sits above it. Making it an outcast/black sheep.

I for one would spec it.

TheoIam · 05-21-2021, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by as7920

Which is both ridiculous and a shame at the same time. As there is car, the M240i xDrive that sits below it and an M3 xDrive that sits above it. Making it an outcast/black sheep.

I for one would spec it.

I don't know how BMW is going to keep the M240i G series with Xdrive and 380ish hp from beating the rear wheel drive only G series M2 in stop light race.

M2PDX · 05-21-2021, 01:42 PM

This all sounds fantastic! Can't wait to order my Thundernight Metallic G87 with CF roof, HUD, 763s, and a 6MT!

JUST HOPE THE STEERING FEEL IS IMPROVED!

N54B30A · 05-21-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

That is not the experience of G80 M3 owners who have owned F87s and Porsches in the past.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1827570

A 22 post thread with one guy is hardly feedback. It shifts measurable slower, weighs more and inherently has more drivetrain loss due to more rotating mass and fluid. Its a step backwards in performance no question about it. A lot cheaper to have a common trans across more models.

Ive driven and owned several DCT cars and its not as smooth in shifting but its hardly a problem. For a car like the m2 where theres a larger emphasis on dynamics it makes even less sense. They try to target a younger audience on the m3/4 with its "bold" looks yet put a trans for my grandparents in it.

swagon · 05-21-2021, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by N54B30A

A 22 post thread with one guy is hardly feedback. It shifts measurable slower, weighs more and inherently has more drivetrain loss due to more rotating mass and fluid. Its a step backwards in performance no question about it. A lot cheaper to have a common trans across more models.

Ive driven and owned several DCT cars and its not as smooth in shifting but its hardly a problem. For a car like the m2 where theres a larger emphasis on dynamics it makes even less sense. They try to target a younger audience on the m3/4 with its "bold" looks yet put a trans for my grandparents in it.

They did it because of the M xDrive and lower costs. Not to mention we've got people on this forum complaining about the DCT in traffic so, yeah.

Multimodal · 05-21-2021, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by N54B30A

A 22 post thread with one guy is hardly feedback.

Whatever man, discount it as you wish. I'm not here to go aggregate all the different threads for you. You clearly have a strong opinion that I'm not going to change.

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Originally Posted by swagon

They did it because of the M xDrive and lower costs. Not to mention we've got people on this forum complaining about the DCT in traffic so, yeah.

And if people on this forum complain about it what do you think the vast majority of BMW M buyers feel?

gemini.m3 · 05-21-2021, 04:07 PM

None of it matters if it’s ugly- getting made in Mexico will be enough of an obstacle to get over. It would be interesting to compare build qualities of the two plants.

6speed_M2 · 05-21-2021, 04:16 PM

Individual colors, HUD & carbon roof. I'm game.

I'm sure it'll be more comfortable w/better NVH vs the F87 so it'll make for the perfect 6 speed daily.

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