The First E92 M3 With A Straight Six

[E90///M3`]

Originally Posted by JR429

I'm not sure many of you understand what is involved in transplanting an engine from one chassis to another - it's an extremely labor intensive process that requires an extremely skilled fabricator and indepth knowledge of stand-alone management systems among other things and then you will still have a myriad of management issue to sort out. Assuming the engine even fits, you have to sort out the tranny, driveshaft, all the power accessories, radiator, intercooling, oil cooling and a whole host of other odds and ends - and that's just the easy part... And forget about drivability once you're down that path it's a dedicated race car. The cost is not the motor, hell you can have a fully built RB26 for about 7k including some decent sized garret turbos, the cost is getting everything to work together. And finally the RB26DETT is NOT SPECIAL. Sure it was state-of-the-art back in the late 80's - a 2.6 liter inline 6 turbo motor revving out to 8500 rpm - wow! but come on it's 2009... what's so special about this engine? The torque curve is unimpressive, the response is unimpressive, it's airflow forces #5/#6 to run hot all the time, and knock is hard as hell to detect, and it is only truly happy on 100 octane+ gas.

If you're down this path why not just start with S65 motor, rip every single management system and drop in a stand-alone, maybe drop the compression a bit (not sure if this is necessary if running C16 all day), throw on a supercharger and call it a day? The only forseeable problem aside from finding a suitable engine management and tranny management issues, would be deleting the VANOS may require machining out some new cams assuming a deleted system defaults into low lift mode.

I'm sure there's about 50 other things I'm missing here, but to me it just seems easier (and smarter) than swapping in a prehistoric (rb26) motor into a freshly minted BMW...

Am I wrong here?

Oh and as for D1 being an "advanced motorsport" LOL. Having watched many of the D1 cars being built from the ground up on both sides of the Pacific - you're pretty far from anyone with an engineering degree (advanced or not) designing these cars...

cliffs anyone? i stopped reading after a line or three

[John@BMW]

Originally Posted by ISFail

I would love to put an S54 motor in a Nissan Sylvia

and take the sr20 out of it and put that motor in an e30!

[Salespunk]

No bien

[BulletproofM]

Originally Posted by KANdaddy

OP, I hate how you watermark every single pic you post on here. Its super annoying. Can you just put your logo in the bottom corner or something?

Moving forward, I will try my best to only watermark the bottom corner; just bare with me because old habits die hard .

-Hunter

[The CSL]

If I had the money, I'd be putting a CSL engine in an E92 and taking out a lot of the unwanted standard parts (nav, iDrive screen, A/C, the bulky seats) and making a CSL replica.

[Poppin Fresh]

Now imagine if someone swapped the S65 with the 3.2 L S54B32 engine and lightened the chassis and then turbo charged it . . . would that be similar to the next generation M3?

[M3FTW]

My only input, why do you need such a atrociously hideous wing on the back of a drift car? I hate wings, with a passion and that body kit looks like it was wonderful then they just pushed it wider by 2 inches in all directions.

[BulletproofM]

Originally Posted by The CSL

If I had the money, I'd be putting a CSL engine in an E92 and taking out a lot of the unwanted standard parts (nav, iDrive screen, A/C, the bulky seats) and making a CSL replica.

Originally Posted by Poppin Fresh

Now imagine if someone swapped the S65 with the 3.2 L S54B32 engine and lightened the chassis and then turbo charged it . . . would that be similar to the next generation M3?

I like where your heads are at.

-Hunter

[Garissimo]

That is no longer an M3. It is a Toyota Supra with a BMW chassis.

[ansch]

i'd like a the AMG c63 engine in a M3 chasis.. lol

[BulletproofM]

Originally Posted by Garissimo

That is no longer an M3. It is a Toyota Supra with a BMW chassis.

Good point of view.

I cannot remember who made it, but I saw on Youtube once a company in Western Europe (I think) who was able to drop an SLR engine in a SLK. I can't even begin to contemplate what you would call that lol.

-Hunter

[BilletDesign]

haters the 2jz is a work of art far more superior than the m3 motor. why does the japs put the 2jz in all of there cars opposed to the m3 motor. hmm wonder why. can you make the m3 block support 2000+ hp


1. NO

[Realpimp23]

oh no! dont do this F&F B.S. to a M3 !!!

WHHHHYYYYYYYYYYY

[E39hijinks]

GTFO, ricer. Anything is possible with money, and you need a lot of it to cram "2000 hp" or even 1,000 into your 20-year old engine. Your 2JZ comes nowhere near the technology, dynamics, or sophistication of an E46 M3 motor let alone the E9X M3 motor. Retarded statement

Originally Posted by BilletDesign

haters the 2jz is a work of art far more superior than the m3 motor. why does the japs put the 2jz in all of there cars opposed to the m3 motor. hmm wonder why. can you make the m3 block support 2000+ hp


1. NO

[E90///M3`]

a lot of fan boys in this forum lol....

personally i like all kinds of cars & if you're different enough to try a crazy idea, then do it! I may not like it but i give you respect for it!

[gemini330zhp]

Originally Posted by The CSL

If I had the money, I'd be putting a CSL engine in an E92 and taking out a lot of the unwanted standard parts (nav, iDrive screen, A/C, the bulky seats) and making a CSL replica.

If I had money I would drive a Ferrari or Lambo.

[Dartanium]

wonder what version HKS T51R is it, the KAI or SPL...regardless it is a sick turbo with stainless turbine housing v-band everywhere before Tial even thought of anything besides a wastegate.

[BulletproofM]

Originally Posted by E90///M3`

a lot of fan boys in this forum lol....

personally i like all kinds of cars & if you're different enough to try a crazy idea, then do it! I may not like it but i give you respect for it!

ell Said.

-Hunter

[Garissimo]

Also, I had a BPU Supra as a DD for two years so I have some perspective on it. The 2JZ engine and drivetrain are absolutely bulletproof. Could survive a meteor strike without even flinching. However, if you stick with the stock twins you have a laughably non-linear power curve and if you go single, you have varying amounts of lag and the car is basically only useful for a straight line roll-on races. Even though the E39 M5 I replaced it with didn't have the fast 'n furious top end, I would rate the S62 powerplant as "better".

[JR429]

Originally Posted by BilletDesign

haters the 2jz is a work of art far more superior than the m3 motor. why does the japs put the 2jz in all of there cars opposed to the m3 motor. hmm wonder why. can you make the m3 block support 2000+ hp


1. NO

Show me one 2000HP 2JZ motor that was not dynoed on a liberal dyna-pack and that lasted for more than a few races. Talk to any 2JZ builder here in the states or in Japan - those power numbers are not achievable for anything more than short duration drag events and DEFINITELY not streetable. Even all those 800-1000HP builds what they don't tell you is that these guys rebuild every 10,000 miles while running C16 all day - oh and they lose to a 700whp Porsche...

If you're going to start talking nonsense then I propose a 5000hp top fuel drag engine into the M3.

Stop keyboard racing - horsepower is a fractional aspect of a good motor.

[ansch]

[JR429]

Originally Posted by Garissimo

Also, I had a BPU Supra as a DD for two years so I have some perspective on it. The 2JZ engine and drivetrain are absolutely bulletproof. Could survive a meteor strike without even flinching.

Going to have to disagree with this. I know more than a dozen people that have had one or more of the following:

1. Driveshaft snap causing substantial damage, almost flipping the car, or injuring the driver (usually the hand if you're shifting haha)

2. Blown transmissions including chunks of metal everywhere (what a scattershield is for)

3. Rods thrown through the block.

In fact I don't know a single modified 2JZ (beyond BPU) with more than 50k modified miles that has not had engine / tranny failure.

The reason for this is simple - when you're pushing a powertrain over 2x their intended power range you cut the life expectancy substantially and things break.

Of course very few people actually talk about this so despite the internet myths, the 2JZ is no more or less bulletproof than other powertrains out there...