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Like when the main dealer poored MT fluid into my DCT..."they never would...!" but yes turned out they did. 15k euro + labour to replace the box, which assumingly their poor insurance company picked up. |
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1-old prestretched OEM bolt was retorqued using "stretching procedure" which subjected the rod to over torquing 2-impact wrench was used to break the bolts loose, but the wrench accidentally tightened the bolt instead 3-rod was compromised due to a pre-existing condition, perhaps from day 1, or due to a previously botched job where someone left all the old parts in place. Did I forget any? Anyone want to place any bets? Better yet, any ideas for how to narrow down the list? |
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2-Unless they were using a LARGE impact and held if for many ugga-duggas, this is likely not the case - but if they did hit it with a big impact, damage may be plausible. 3 - I would doubt very much that the engine would have lived with a bad rod bolt - ask SYT_Shadow about that...
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Also curious about another detail. I've seen many posts confuse 130 degrees with 130N-m for the OEM procedure. What's the final N-m value when the OEM angle procedure is used? Just wondering if it's anywhere near 130N-m. |
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I don't either if I don't have to. Yeah, this specific dealer better keep their insurance... Haven't been there since (DCT happened 2015) but now forced by my insurance company to visit guess who...due to sporadic DCT issues. Yikes.
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Wow, I was away a few days and sure missed a thread here.
There have been dozens and dozens of people doing DIY replacements in their garages on jack stands, with any combination of tools. There have been several hundred installs by any number of shops that I can name. This is an absolute first that I am hearing of a shop stripping a rod doing a simple quick clearance measurement. Something doesn't add up, I wish you the best, but man I'd have some real serious questions for the person working on your car. I can only assume it was a major screw up with the impact wrench or angle torqued way beyond reasonable limits. Anyone have a bent rod they can toast and measure with a digital 150+ft lbs wrench when it strips out so we can have a log?
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my thought process is, when the tech was dissembling and the bolt did have some ripped threads on it why not shoot a picture of it immediately? Are the stock rod bolts coated with anything? Could see if they used a high powered impact the wrong way by checking the head of the bolt for any nicks/chips from the impact hitting against the bolt head during tightening/loosening.
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Shop is pretty firm on their stance that this was pre-existing, so let's go from there. Theory to support this claim: In the recent past, someone messed around and must have ever so slightly over tightened that one bolt. The rod bearings are stock and look to be consistent for the motor's mileage. That implies guilt on the former party, so instead of installing new bearings they put everything back together and put the car up for sale. The new owner drives the car for 500 miles since purchase and brings it in for new bearings. The tech goes to retorque that partially compromised bolt and it fully strips before getting half-way to spec. Is this possible? Absolutely, but it would be easier to swallow if alcohol were involved... |
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If you bought the car used, I guess you will never know. Maybe that is best. But I am sorry you have had an expensive and bad initial experience with the M3. A car should not need rod bearing replacement at 50k or 100k or 150k miles, but enough of these motors have failed that many of us think this preventative maintenance is a worthwhile expense to offset the risk of a much more expensive failure and there have been almost no cases of the job being done wrong.
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One thing I don't understand is how a rod bolt could ever strip the rod in the first place. I'm sure the bolt would snap before tickling the rod itself.
Then again, we have had forum members buy cars and then the engines grenade on their way home... |
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If it was compromised from before, how did it survive this long. Something really stupid happened when this shop dropped the oil pan. We will never know what exactly what happened. |
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Perhaps they used the wrong rod cap (or opposite of how it should go), which may have misaligned the threads just enough for them to get stripped. They discovered the mistake, put the correct cap back on, and gave you a call. Just conjecture...
Don't they start the bolt by hand? I would be surprised if anyone would just put the bolt in and immediately hit it with an impact wrench. Surely they would have noticed that the threads were engaging farther into the rod. Threads are unlikely to be damaged on disassembly, especially when the upper threads are fine. Another theory - someone used an OEM bolt, torqued it up, bolt snapped in the middle of the threads allowing that section of the bolt to spin and damage its threads as the upper part of the bolt prevented it from moving further into the rod. |
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If this is true then we may see similar issues as motors are opened up a second time. |
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There is a reason to why the rod bolts are extremely strong, holding back the highest load in the engine. If thread where broken I believe the cap would have started to move resulting in significant signs. I know the situation when debating with people who have plenty more experience and knows better than yourself, while obviously still are quite able to make mistakes. Getting them to admit is...challenging. Have a similar story with a boat yard reg my boat, plain aweful but we can't take the blame for others shit. |
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There is a reason to why the rod bolts are extremely strong, holding back the highest load in the engine. If thread where broken I believe the cap would have started to move resulting in significant signs. I know the situation when debating with people who have plenty more experience and knows better than yourself, while obviously still are quite able to make mistakes. Getting them to admit is...challenging. Have a similar story with a boat yard reg my boat, plain aweful but we can't take the blame for others shit bro. |
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