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      10-30-2020, 08:24 AM   #45
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I will never, ever, ever in my life understand the tipping culture there is in the USA and Canada.

It is utter and complete madness.
Most service workers (waiters, hairstylists, kind of thing) are paid lower wages based on them receiving tips. I do think things are getting carried away when I go to the local store and the cashiers have out tip cups. I don't tip them.
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Most service workers (waiters, hairstylists, kind of thing) are paid lower wages based on them receiving tips.
Does that mean you pay lower costs of their services based on you giving tips? Would they work worse if they were paid higher wages, really? Their employers rob both them and you (twice!) with that. And the worst is the tips do spoil those people absolutely.

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So given that movers make minimum wage and it is a difficult, thankless job that leaves you aching I'd say a tip if they do a good job is fair.

But that's just me, I sure as hell wouldn't want to have to carry all that furniture and boxes for what they get paid.
This misses the point entirely. They are paid what they are paid because there is tipping, take tipping away and they'd need to be paid more to find the labour. It's just a hassle, the entire concept is asinine.
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This misses the point entirely. They are paid what they are paid because there is tipping, take tipping away and they'd need to be paid more to find the labour. It's just a hassle, the entire concept is asinine.
I'm not a huge fan of tipping either to be honest. Having said that if everyone was paid what the self entitled millennials call "a living wage", the price of everything would be much higher and I am not sure we'd all be happy about that either. I don't have an answer for this frankly, when I think of someone working in McDonalds etc for minimum wage that seems fair, when I see how physically hard my movers worked minimum wage seems low. I think hard work should be rewarded fairly and some minimum wages are fairly paid.
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Does that mean you pay lower costs of their services based on you giving tips? Would they work worse if they were paid higher wages, really? Their employers rob both them and you (twice!) with that. And the worst is the tips do spoil those people absolutely.

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This misses the point entirely. They are paid what they are paid because there is tipping, take tipping away and they'd need to be paid more to find the labour. It's just a hassle, the entire concept is asinine.
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I'm not a huge fan of tipping either to be honest. Having said that if everyone was paid what the self entitled millennials call "a living wage", the price of everything would be much higher and I am not sure we'd all be happy about that either. I don't have an answer for this frankly, when I think of someone working in McDonalds etc for minimum wage that seems fair, when I see how physically hard my movers worked minimum wage seems low. I think hard work should be rewarded fairly and some minimum wages are fairly paid.
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So the move itself is complete. I'm living in chaos right now but I'll post that story in the Confess thread when I have time to write a novel.

The movers were great. Got there early, wrapped everything like pros. Got some oversized furniture down narrow stairs without marking up the walls or damaging any furniture. I was a bit concerned because when I moved in, the banister wasn't in so there was a lot more maneuvering space. They guys were thrilled with the $50 each, except for the lead guy. He looked down and spread out the bills to see how much and didn't say a word. He worked no harder than the others. I'm assuming if I had given all the $ to him, he would have distributed it differently. Oh well. That's exactly why I gave to them individually. I also gave them a few bottles of champagne that were in the house - I hate champagne.

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Awesome! Glad you are at least seeing things move in the right direction!
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This misses the point entirely. They are paid what they are paid because there is tipping, take tipping away and they'd need to be paid more to find the labour. It's just a hassle, the entire concept is asinine.
This has been tried and restaurants ended up losing wait staff because they preferred getting tips. Itís not just the dollars they make, but the instant gratification they get from the tip. There are probably still some where there are no tips, but many have reverted back. I donít really care whether we tip 20% or prices increase 20% with no tip. Not a big deal either way to me. However, although rare, I have left no tip or less than 20% if I find service to be awful.

Aside from restaurants, there are other places where people make a fair wage and still get tips for a job well done by some customers. In this setting you can just choose to not tip.
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We also tipped them each $75 for each day of work. Was it a big tip, maybe.
What does that $75 Canadian equate to in US dollars, $1.68?

Seriously though, you're right on @cmyx6go's tip rate.....
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I donít really care whether we tip 20% or prices increase 20% with no tip.
Thus you don't really care about your government (take it as your country ): there's no tip tax, right?

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restaurants ended up losing wait staff because they preferred getting tips ... there are other places where people make a fair wage and still get tips for a job well done by some customers


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Itís not just the dollars they make, but the instant gratification they get from the tip.
Only if it meets/exceeds their ever-growing expectations. It's disappointment (and even hate!) otherwise. In some MTV series, a manager firing a waiter for requesting more tip from a customer: "You made the worst mistake possible. You made a customer feel uncomfortable!".
It's them who should care about your gratification, not vice versa.

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What does that $75 Canadian equate to in US dollars, $1.68?

Seriously though, you're right on @cmyx6go's tip rate.....
Had she tipped them as her brother had suggested, they'd hire her to maid for them.
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Thus you don't really care about your government (take it as your country ): there's no tip tax, right?
Tips are taxable.
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Tips are taxable.
Yes, but most tips aren't reported. Well except when they write the tip and amount on the check/bill. But otherwise cash tips handed straight over aren't getting reported, which is also why servers/people who make tips don't mind getting paid less and earning tips, as it's less taxable income for them.
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$50 each sounds very generous to me. Certainly nothing wrong with that.
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