2013 S65 Engine - Break-in Oil Blackstone Report

[BPMSport]

Wanted to share the oil report with everyone on the new S65 that was installed into the BPM 08 M3.

The break-in procedure as deemed by BMW was carefully followed. The oil was changed at roughly 1,000 miles. For the first 300 miles, RPM's did not exceed 4000 RPM. From 300-600 Miles, 5000 RPM was not exceeded. From 600-900 miles, 6000 RPM was not exceeded. From 900-1000 miles, 6,500 was not exceeded.

The car was babied when cold, and varying gears, throttle positions, loads were used to ensure a proper break-in when warm.

Below is the report from this oil. There was no observed metal flakes or anything in the filter. I will be changing it again in another 4-5K and monitoring this engine closely.

I hope this helps give a rough idea of what the metals should look like on a brand new motor. Looking forward to seeing copper and iron drop down on the next check.

If anyone has any comments on this, I look forward to your input as I am no expert when it comes to oil and contaminate readings.

[smmmurf]

Congrats on the new engine. Would like to know what power differences you see if any with the '08 vs. '13 engines given the same tuning. Pardon me for missing what happened, but what became of the original engine in the car?

[JoM3z]

Originally Posted by smmmurf

Congrats on the new engine. Would like to know what power differences you see if any with the '08 vs. '13 engines given the same tuning. Pardon me for missing what happened, but what became of the original engine in the car?

+1 I would like to know as well.

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by smmmurf

Congrats on the new engine. Would like to know what power differences you see if any with the '08 vs. '13 engines given the same tuning. Pardon me for missing what happened, but what became of the original engine in the car?

The new one bucks much less when cold. The click from the vanos/check valves is also much less audible on the new one.

Maybe it's me but the new motor seems slightly stronger - although I think the difference is only marginal. I haven't had time to really drive the car much lately.

Hoping to take it to the track next month.

The previous engine we are hoping to put in the E46 M3 and make a dedicated track car for Rif:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=924128

I am having second thoughts about doing it since it requires cutting the E46 engine/transmission tunnels. I was thinking of perhaps putting a turbo kit on it instead, but haven't made a decision. I am talking to a few people about their comfortability level with the swap. If I decide not to do it, I will likely list the engine on the forum or keep it as a spare. My inclination is to move forward since that was the original goal - although I will have to source a 6MT manual tranny for it.

Here is the thread on the motor swap in case you haven't seen it (pictures are on page 3):

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=919196

[thekurgan]

If this motor has the new rod bearings, without lead, where else might the lead be originating?

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by thekurgan

If this motor has the new rod bearings, without lead, where else might the lead be originating?

Not sure - they might still have some lead, just not as much.

Most of the reports I've seen from the newer cars have between 2 and 8 for lead.

[MrStinky]

Was this 0w40 oil? Or BMW break in oil? ( if that even exists?

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by MrStinky

Was this 0w40 oil? Or BMW break in oil? ( if that even exists?

10w60 as listed on the top of the report.

[Bavarian Beast]

Interesting. Thanks for posting and I look forward to the next one.

[W///]

Interesting that there is so much copper. Thanks for the report Benvo!

[G80indy]

People have reported unique characteristics of a break-in oil, factory fill, FYI

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by 330indy

People have reported unique characteristics of a break-oil factory fill, FYI

Engine actually came from Germany w/o any oil. So this was 10w60 filled from bottle

[MrStinky]

So you had a chance to use good break in oil and you put tws??? You do know how rings seal and the negative effect slippery synthetics have on seating rings which will effect power output of an engine by maximizing compression by not allowing gases to blow by.

Can't believe a tuner wouldn't use proper break in oil given the chance

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by MrStinky

So you had a chance to use good break in oil and you put tws??? You do know how rings seal and the negative effect slippery synthetics have on seating rings which will effect power output of an engine by maximizing compression by not allowing gases to blow by.

Can't believe a tuner wouldn't use proper break in oil given the chance

There is no break-in oil designated by BMW for the S65.

10w-60, or perhaps the other approved oils, is what should be used.

Perhaps you can enlighten us if you know otherwise.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by MrStinky

So you had a chance to use good break in oil and you put tws??? You do know how rings seal and the negative effect slippery synthetics have on seating rings which will effect power output of an engine by maximizing compression by not allowing gases to blow by.

Can't believe a tuner wouldn't use proper break in oil given the chance

The M3 is filled with 10-60 from the factory.

[MrStinky]

Right so typically we have no choice but to use it for break in. But he got his engine empty and could have chose any oil. You guys can reach your own conclusion but the best oil for the car to ultimately use is almost never the same as break in oil. You can investigate why slippery full synthetic at a 60 viscosity will not seat rings effectively as good break in. This means a life of lower compression as a/f mixture escapes 3rd ring seal when rings aren't seated and you can deduce what happens if all equal but you lower compression ratio. Worse mileage and more oil burned.
.although there was some data BMW did use break in, I don't doubt they didn't out of a cost issue or to protect against mist people who redline it from day one as a mid grade dino oil may not offer enough protection at full out operation but is ideal for ring sealing the first 200 miles.ever wonder why a lot of variance in peoples cars even with same parameters in place? All about what was done for first 200. Also by following BMWs break in procedure your not maximizing ring seal but again I'm sure they design their procedure to protect idiots from redlining the crap out of it for the first 1k or so.

Best of kuck

[MrStinky]

Right so typically we have no choice but to use it for break in. But he got his engine empty and could have chose any oil. You guys can reach your own conclusion but the best oil for the car to ultimately use is almost never the same as break in oil. You can investigate why slippery full synthetic at a 60 viscosity will not seat rings effectively as good break in. This means a life of lower compression as a/f mixture escapes 3rd ring seal when rings aren't seated and you can deduce what happens if all equal but you lower compression ratio. Worse mileage and more oil burned.
.although there was some data BMW did use break in, I don't doubt they didn't out of a cost issue or to protect against mist people who redline it from day one as a mid grade dino oil may not offer enough protection at full out operation but is ideal for ring sealing the first 200 miles.ever wonder why a lot of variance in peoples cars even with same parameters in place? All about what was done for first 200. Also by following BMWs break in procedure your not maximizing ring seal but again I'm sure they design their procedure to protect idiots from redlining crap out of it for the first 1k or so.

Best of kuck

[Fsarc]

Originally Posted by MilehighM3

The M3 is filled with 10-60 from the factory.

Not sure about that. My Blackstone Oil report at 1180 miles (factory fill, first oil change) disclosed viscosity as 5W-30.

[MrStinky]

Originally Posted by Fsarc

Not sure about that. My Blackstone Oil report at 1180 miles (factory fill, first oil change) disclosed viscosity as 5W-30.

Exactly. A 5w30 also shown in another sample below is what BMW uses. Its pretty awesome for OEM car they do proper break in oil and oil change at 1200. They really maximize every last HP out of this engine by seating rings as best aspossible. Now if you baby the car in bbreak in you won't seat well regardless

Mike did you put the oil in your engine yourself? I still can't figure out why your viscosity at 100 for a virtually new sample is 15 instead of 21-23 for rows normally. The range they list is for used oil and 1200 mikes is much closer to new..

Perhaps tws didn't end up in your engine?

[MrStinky]

Here is a link discussing indeed BMW uses a 5w30 oil for break in. VOa below shows it. The odd part is your oa shows viscosity at 100 as 15 which is not at all where tws lands even after 15000 mikes based on many peoples labs. So either they messex test up or whoever put oil in actually put 5w30 . So if you did put in tws, just know BMW puts in 5w30 from factory and given you used very thick oil its up in the air whether you'll have bad issues with blow by and power loss given how high compression these are which require tightly seated rings to keep car up. Prob expect to burn a ton of oil too.

Again anyone with new engooine fill with what BMW does which is 5w30

Below is link with more iron clad proof.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=3015851

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by MrStinky

Here is a link discussing indeed BMW uses a 5w30 oil for break in. VOa below shows it. The odd part is your oa shows viscosity at 100 as 15 which is not at all where tws lands even after 15000 mikes based on many peoples labs. So either they messex test up or whoever put oil in actually put 5w30 . So if you did put in tws, just know BMW puts in 5w30 from factory and given you used very thick oil its up in the air whether you'll have bad issues with blow by and power loss given how high compression these are which require tightly seated rings to keep car up. Prob expect to burn a ton of oil too.

Again anyone with new engooine fill with what BMW does which is 5w30

Below is link with more iron clad proof.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=3015851

No where in that page does it say it's factory filled with 5w-30. It shows the viscosity is like a 30 weight, but at the end the report stated they "don't think 60 weight would sheer down at that degree in 1200 miles." Maybe the assembly lubes utilized have some effect on the oil analysis.
Iron clad proof? I don't "think" so. The only thing iron clad is that your typing skills show you need to proof read a bit more.

[kawasaki00]

MrStinky=Longwong