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10-24-2012, 02:30 PM | #45 |
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The Merc is just soo not pleasing to the eyes IMO.
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This is why Top Gear's "Stig" was so great - he gave the results a sense of reliability.
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Agreed! A seat swap would have given a more definitive result.
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10-24-2012, 06:15 PM | #49 | |
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10-24-2012, 10:05 PM | #50 | |
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Absolutely ZERO relation to any road going BMW, Benz, or Audi. It is no more related to a M3, than a Nascar is related to a Camry. |
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10-24-2012, 10:57 PM | #51 |
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King of the Ring huh? Yet the Merc is 2 second faster than the GTS at the Ring.
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10-25-2012, 01:02 AM | #52 | |
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Besides that, what I already said is that the most eccentric BMW M3 which is the DTM version beated the hell out of Mercedes-Benz AMG DTM C-Class Coupe. Even in the ALMS, the M3 is more competitive than Porsche, Ferrari, or Corvette. Anyways if you prefer that Mercedes-Benz AMG C-Class Coupe Black Series crap, then why not buy it instead of a BMW? |
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10-25-2012, 01:06 AM | #53 |
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Look at the DTM championship then come back and talk. That Mercedes-Benz AMG C-Coupe Black Series has 60 hp more than the M3 GTS, so it should at least be faster all-around, unless those 60 hp are donkies rather than ponies.
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The ALMS M3 GT lost the championship this year to Corvette, so wrong again. I am not a BMW nuthugger, so maybe at some point I will get a Black Series. I have owned many BMW's, as well as a couple Audi's and Benz's. You only live once why limit youself to one brand. There are many many great cars out there. Last edited by M3_WC; 10-25-2012 at 11:25 PM.. |
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DTM has nothing to do with these two road cars. NOTHING! |
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10-26-2012, 04:53 AM | #56 | |
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10-26-2012, 10:15 AM | #57 | |
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That's not to say that the Merc didn't win fair and square, just that if you watch patterns in automotive magazines and TV shows, you will notice that they push manufacturers buttons just a little harder during development of replacement vehicles. With the next gen M3/4 nearing completion, the automotive press is going to set BMW up for an epic return, because most in the automotive press really like BMW as a company and as a car. They're one of the last remaining independent makes that are driver-focused and still obtainable by a significant population.
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10-26-2012, 10:38 AM | #58 | |
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My brother just picked up his C63 Black series - it hands down blows away any M3 I have ever seen. The car is extremely wide and aggressive, and from any angle it makes the M3 look weak in comparison. The brakes blow away those on the M, it accelerates much faster and handles better as well. The one thing I absolutely despised about the regular C63 was the shit transmission, and the dual clutch MCT in the black series is no different than the DCT in my car - I absolutely love it. The car truley is nothing like a regular C63 whatsoever. Even with my car having 30k invested into it (supercharger, wheels, brakes, suspension etc...) the C63 still effortlessly wins in my book in every aspect except straight line speed (that can easily be fixed with headers/tune....or a simple weistec blower). The biggest difference between the two is the rear of the car, the flared body on the C63 is significantly wider than that of the M, heres a quick pic I took: Also, the interior of the M is completely outdated in comparison to the Black Series...the suede interior, red stiching, red seatbelts, etc... all make you feel in a more dedicated racecar than a regular M3. You see at least 3-5 M3's on the road a day around here, as where I've never seen a C63 BS in my life. Exclusivity on that car is on a complete other level. Last edited by erm324; 10-26-2012 at 11:10 AM.. |
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10-26-2012, 11:56 AM | #60 | |
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How did he know it handles better? Did he drive it against the M3 GTS? Is he the well-known Stig, Chris Harris, or someone that I'm not aware of? |
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10-26-2012, 12:09 PM | #61 | |
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The Black Series is awesome looking. Had a chance to see it up close at the US Open and it was very aggressive and looked great IMO. Its funny that BMW can make the 1M so aggressive and people love it...yet its still a fugly car. MB comes out with a GREAT looking, VERY aggressive car yet the people who keep saying BMW needs more aggressive cars dont like this? I dont get it...what more could you want. Fender flares and exterior on this thing are menacing, the exhaust sounds bad ass, the interior is top notch as well as the transmission. Give some respect where its due, and it certainly is here. I have not driven a C63 Black, but MT rated it behind the 991 911 S as the 2012 Best Driver's car. That says something since all know the 911 especially the GT cars are probably the most scalpel like cars on the road. Last edited by Wolfinwolfsclothing; 10-26-2012 at 12:42 PM.. |
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10-26-2012, 12:21 PM | #62 | |
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Driving the C63 BS back to back with an M3 ZCP with coilovers and swaybars is a better comparison than you can say, eh? Having never seen a Black Series in person, let alone owning one, I don't think your at any disposition to be giving opinions on a comparison between these two cars. You sound like an ignorant M3 fanboy putting down anything that doesnt have an M badge on it. My comparison was between my personal M3 and the Black Series, not a GTS. Last edited by erm324; 10-26-2012 at 12:37 PM.. |
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10-27-2012, 12:20 PM | #64 | |
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I do admit though that the AMG Black Series is better than a Competition Package M3 but that wasn't the point. The title was discussing a Black Series AMG C-Coupe vs. M3 GTS. I haven't driven either an M3 GTS, but if you were to drive the GTS against your M3, you would have found a huge difference between the two. |
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10-28-2012, 03:35 PM | #65 |
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C63 AMG BS was released quite late after the M3 GTS!
For sure it is a little bit faster due to its larger engine displacement, more power and torque, but a new generation of M models (M3 & M4) is almost ready for production If Porsche has such a great new model as 911 Carrera S which has somehow a close price to the special models from BMW and Mercedes, but with only a 3,8L engine and 400 hp it's faster than its rivals, the new DTM triple Champ (BMW) must show its capabilities with the next models |
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10-28-2012, 05:09 PM | #66 | |
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Even though the M3 GTS is more track oriented, the Merc looks amazing! The C63 is clearly the better street car.
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