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      02-18-2015, 07:29 AM   #375
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Again nothing against Malek as he seems to make nice stuff but again he didn't reinvent the wheel. We're talking exhaust. Half you guys use replica parts and then want to chastise me for saying you can go to a competent welder and build on of these x pipes in a few hours versus waiting forever to maybe never get one.
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You can have some joe blow go make you an xpipe sure, but it will not give you the gains this one will. Many many hrs of R&D went into this design, not to mention the better welds and materials its crafted from. Otherwise it would not be out performing every xpipe on the market for this car.

He did not remake the wheel, he simply made it better than anyone else. MRF should be getting praise and respect for making such quality products for our platform.

Malek haters will be haters, hope you take it with a grain of salt and continue making top shelf products.
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You can have some joe blow go make you an xpipe sure, but it will not give you the gains this one will. Many many hrs of R&D went into this design, not to mention the better welds and materials its crafted from. Otherwise it would not be out performing every xpipe on the market for this car.

He did not remake the wheel, he simply made it better than anyone else. MRF should be getting praise and respect for making such quality products for our platform.

Malek haters will be haters, hope you take it with a grain of salt and continue making top shelf products.
Better materials? Who's to say the "Joe Blow" shop doesn't have access to the same materials Malek can get? Same with the welds. If the person is well versed in the trade and takes their profession seriously, who's to say their welds won't be as good? How about if they use a robotic controlled TIG welder? Will the welds not be at least of the same quality?

I'm not hating on Malek or his products at all, I'm just pointing out that other people can access the same materials and equipment that Malek most likely has. The difference lies in the R&D like you mentioned.
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Better materials? Who's to say the "Joe Blow" shop doesn't have access to the same materials Malek can get? Same with the welds. If the person is well versed in the trade and takes their profession seriously, who's to say their welds won't be as good? How about if they use a robotic controlled TIG welder? Will the welds not be at least of the same quality?

I'm not hating on Malek or his products at all, I'm just pointing out that other people can access the same materials and equipment that Malek most likely has. The difference lies in the R&D like you mentioned.
Thank you! Finally some reasoning here. It's asinine to think/say Malek is the only one who can tig weld or get access to stainless pipe. You guys are funny.
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Thank you! Finally some reasoning here. It's asinine to think/say Malek is the only one who can tig weld or get access to stainless pipe. You guys are funny.
Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm sure Malek's item is top shelf. You don't read about too many people using 321 stainless in their exhaust components, but still... X pipes aren't some exotic component that only Jedi masters can conjure.
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Thank you! Finally some reasoning here. It's asinine to think/say Malek is the only one who can tig weld or get access to stainless pipe. You guys are funny.
By the looks of the bowlegged x-pipe you are selling you know nothing about quality and the phrase R&D is lost on you.
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I think the key point is that it takes research to best determine where the merge "or whatever it is called" should be and apparently Malek did that. Maybe it takes research to determine the best size or worst size for the piping from end to end. Maybe the knowledge of knowing what doesn't make a difference is valuable. So you guys arguing that any shop can do it may be forgetting that 'you' likely have that extra knowledge that makes one xpipe more efficient than another.

... regret sending my MRF Xpipe back 2 years ago because I didn't know any better.

Edit: My response was posted before I saw the picture of the bowlegged xpipe!
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      02-18-2015, 10:16 AM   #382
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By the looks of the bowlegged x-pipe you are selling you know nothing about quality and the phrase R&D is lost on you.
Objectively speaking, how is quality lost on him?
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I think the key point is that it takes research to best determine where the merge "or whatever it is called" should be and apparently Malek did that. Maybe it takes research to determine the best size or worst size for the piping from end to end. Maybe the knowledge of knowing what doesn't make a difference is valuable. So you guys arguing that any shop can do it may be forgetting that 'you' likely have that extra knowledge that makes one xpipe more efficient than another.

... regret sending my MRF Xpipe back 2 years ago because I didn't know any better.

Edit: My response was posted before I saw the picture of the bowlegged xpipe!
I said there are shops that WILL have access to the same TIG welders (manual or automated) and T321 stainless. I said nothing of having the same R&D.
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By the looks of the bowlegged x-pipe you are selling you know nothing about quality and the phrase R&D is lost on you.
Who are you? You got that from looking at a less than ideal night time iphone pic. Are you on Maleks payroll? If not, get a clue man. My x pipe is stainless, mandrel bent and made power. It's also identical to an oem piece just without cats. So I guess eveey other pipe but the MRF piece is junk too? You guys are funny dick riding Malek so hard. I came here to offer an opinion that's it. Only on this board do people attack others and come off as assholes as you are doing now. Even on the porsche forums people welcome other input and like those that go outside the box and make their own parts.

Sure maybe his pipe makes a few more hp than mine (as well as every other brand) but does that make mine bad? No. It makes you and others look bad for Comimg down on me for making a suggestion. Again this is an x pipe, it's not rocket science.
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By the looks of the bowlegged x-pipe you are selling you know nothing about quality and the phrase R&D is lost on you.
FYI jackass, the gintAni x pipe also is bowed out at the muffler connecting points. This is a bespoke piece that I ran for a year without issues and was made on the car by a custom shop.
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Here's an OEM X pipe for comparison
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1087607
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Objectively speaking, how is quality lost on him?
Because if you try to help and mention other alternatives the dick riders come out of hiding. My x pipe is great and works fine. Maybe I left a few hp on the table but the m3 is not a race car and l could care less. I have a 600 hp porsche for that.
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I said there are shops that WILL have access to the same TIG welders (manual or automated) and T321 stainless. I said nothing of having the same R&D.
Yes that is true and I stand corrected because I totally misquoted you on that! I was responding in general really....
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Here's an OEM X pipe for comparison
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1087607
Wow looks like my junk. Maybe BMW sucks too.
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Yes that is true and I stand corrected because I totally misquoted you on that! I was responding in general really....
Oh haha, sorry for being so defensive. I try to keep my technical posts as objective as possible when out of the General or OT sections of the forum.
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I think the key point is that it takes research to best determine where the merge "or whatever it is called" should be and apparently Malek did that. Maybe it takes research to determine the best size or worst size for the piping from end to end. Maybe the knowledge of knowing what doesn't make a difference is valuable. So you guys arguing that any shop can do it may be forgetting that 'you' likely have that extra knowledge that makes one xpipe more efficient than another.

... regret sending my MRF Xpipe back 2 years ago because I didn't know any better.

Edit: My response was posted before I saw the picture of the bowlegged xpipe!

Open your eyes. Nothing is bow legged. I'm using a magnaflow (quality) crossover that is less wide and this when the pipes come out they are slightly angled. Just as the Gintani x pipe is. Many x pipes look like this. I guess I'm arguing with fools.
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To comment on the R&D, while I understand some people want pinnacle performance, there are people who want more value for their dollars.

This kind of interaction really falls on the buyer and what their intentions and goals are.

Again, nothing against Malek and his product.
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To comment on the R&D, while I understand some people want pinnacle performance, there are people who want more value for their dollars.

This kind of interaction really falls on the buyer and what their intentions and goals are.

Again, nothing against Malek and his product.
For real. I said nothing against Malek as he makes nice stuff but why wait forever for something that can be fabbed up in a day. And yet I get chastised and my parts get ridiculed. It's not right. Please tell me what makes my x pipe a hack job as I'm sure the shop who built it would be curious.
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You can have some joe blow go make you an xpipe sure, but it will not give you the gains this one will. Many many hrs of R&D went into this design, not to mention the better welds and materials its crafted from. Otherwise it would not be out performing every xpipe on the market for this car.

He did not remake the wheel, he simply made it better than anyone else. MRF should be getting praise and respect for making such quality products for our platform.

Malek haters will be haters, hope you take it with a grain of salt and continue making top shelf products.
Again, no one is denying he makes nice products. Simply stated I was offering an alternative. You guys act as if he invented the x pipe. Gintani as well as some other shops place the x up further too and have realized good gains. Many other companies (including mine) just copied the oem piece less cats. It will still make power as the cats are a huge restriction.
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