M3 vs B8 S4 TFSI V6 3.0

[klammer]

Alex, you may be right, but you are a total dick.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by klammer

Alex, you may be right, but you are a total dick.

ahh come on , you take that too seriously !

I'm just showing facts to a non-believer , 1.7 is easy with awd and 1.9 is bad , just want to make sure that people on this forum who could be interested in the S4 wont be influence by some wrong info ! I don't take anything personnaly even when he assume that I'm lying , you should do the same !

[Alex07M3]

here's a time slip of my 2 friends against each other , both JDM STI engine in 2002 WRX , both exhaust , downpipe and tuned (350hp) !

one did 1.6 , the other did 1.7 , it is good but not unlikely at all !

[Chachi112]

not to nit pick but that 1.699 is a lot closer to 1.70 then 1.60...and your friends 1.599 is very impressive...i pull similar numbers in my rear wheel drive ZR-1..but that traps in the 130's...still you lost sight of the original point...i'm not saying it can't happen...just not in a stock S4

[Chachi112]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

here's a time slip of my 2 friends against each other , both JDM STI engine in 2002 WRX , both exhaust , downpipe and tuned (350hp) !

one did 1.6 , the other did 1.7 , it is good but not unlikely at all !

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not for nothing....nice runs for what they are but your friends cars are pigs up top..my last LS3 C6 coupe, that i used as a daily driver and some track fun, was running similar 1/8 miles at similar speeds but running 12.1x-12.2x@ around 116.5 in the 1/4..so launch away...a real car is still going to catch you quick....and all that with a lousy 1.96-2.00 60 ft..

[HotIce]

My pet rock is better then your pet rock. Sometimes, I question the age of forum members on this board. Geez. Nice way to kill a thread. Have two girls bicker back and forth about who has better 'facts'.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Chachi112

at the end of the day there is a lot more concrete data to back up my findings instead of yours...am i saying its impossible no, very unlikely?? absolutely...considering theres a 410 horse tt-rs on youtube running in the 11.70's and cutting 1.9X 60 fts...i guess he cant drive either...so lets agree to disagree...

for me what you said there means that you don't believe neither a S5 , a S4 , a STI , or even my old 265hp TT could do better then that TT-RS on the 60foot !

and if you really want to know , no disrispect to that TT-RS driver , but yes I think he could have done better , a lot better , a least as good as what I was doing with my TT that had 140hp less and 100kg more !

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Chachi112

not for nothing....nice runs for what they are but your friends cars are pigs up top..my last LS3 C6 coupe, that i used as a daily driver and some track fun, was running similar 1/8 miles at similar speeds but running 12.1x-12.2x@ around 116.5 in the 1/4..so launch away...a real car is still going to catch you quick....and all that with a lousy 1.96-2.00 60 ft..

yeah but that was like 5 years ago , even before you tought you would have fun with a S5 !

By your standard , is a S5 a real car !!?

[Chachi112]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

yeah but that was like 5 years ago , even before you tought you would have fun with a S5 !

By your standard , is a S5 a real car !!?

beautiful car but way more of a GT car...the looks and quality of the car is what hooked me...i was kind of hoping over time the cars performance would grow on me but it never did...then after reading a bunch on audis carbon build up epidemic i decided while i could get out of the car with out taking a total bath it made sense...maybe a RS5 would have made me feel different but it wasnt available at the time and sadly is still not..

[Alex07M3]

anyway , sorry every one if I got a bit out of the subject but all that was just to show 1 thing , it's that the b8 S4 can easily do 12sec run and it is really fast for the advertise power and I know that for a fact since i've raced one twice with my 2 last cars !!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Chachi112

beautiful car but way more of a GT car...the looks and quality of the car is what hooked me...i was kind of hoping over time the cars performance would grow on me but it never did...then after reading a bunch on audis carbon build up epidemic i decided while i could get out of the car with out taking a total bath it made sense...maybe a RS5 would have made me feel different but it wasnt available at the time and sadly is still not..

it was more a yes or no anwser that I was waiting for , like when you said that STI are not real car !!

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by Rated ///M

My pet rock is better then your pet rock. Sometimes, I question the age of forum members on this board. Geez. Nice way to kill a thread. Have two girls bicker back and forth about who has better 'facts'.

Question whatever you like, I'm just trying to open peoples eyes about a very capable car.

[NYCM3ryder]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

You're right an M3 will win stock for stock 99% of the time...I'm not arguing that...But thinking you're gonna walk away, "own, destroy" like the above posters is wrong. The car is no slouch and thats the only point I'm trying to make.

ok thats true and i agree. i know some of us love our m3's to death and dont think realisticly and think we can beat buggatti's and what not. lol

[Erhan]

Originally Posted by NYCM3ryder

ok thats true and i agree. i know some of us love our m3's to death and dont think realisticly and think we can beat buggatti's and what not. lol

Only if you have ZCP + DCT.

[HotIce]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

Question whatever you like, I'm just trying to open peoples eyes about a very capable car.

Wasn't talking about you. The reference was towards Alex and Chachi.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Rated ///M

Wasn't talking about you. The reference was towards Alex and Chachi.

Same anwser as Audis5 , just had a obstacle on the way !

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Chachi112

not to nit pick but that 1.699 is a lot closer to 1.70 then 1.60...and your friends 1.599 is very impressive...i pull similar numbers in my rear wheel drive ZR-1..but that traps in the 130's...still you lost sight of the original point...i'm not saying it can't happen...just not in a stock S4

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by jaehshim

Let's talk engine here (please no suspension, handling, no weight issues)....I've been analyzing some Dyno numbers of M3 (stock/6mt/dct etc...)
It goes somewhere from 300~350Whp + 250~280lb torque.
It just amazes me when a stock B8 S4 can pull ~330Whp + ~335lb torque.

what do you think?

I think it's hilarious how far off topic this thread veered.

Back to the OP's point, though:

The 3.0TFSI's power is definitely underrated by the factory at 333HP. Dyno results put the actual crank HP closer to 365-370.

The M3s V-8 seems to produce closer to its rated 414HP, so the real-world difference appears to be closer to 45-50HP, not the 81HP that the factory ratings would indicate.

The big difference though is torque, and here, the 3.0T has a clear advantage in "area under the curve".

So in the real world, the S4 performs better than its power/torque ratings would lead one to believe.

Stock manual-trans S4s typically run about 12.9 @ 107-ish, while stock DSGs run about 13.1 at 106-ish, so they're definitely not as fast as an M3 over the 1/4 mile.

Given their throttle response and low/mid rpm torque though, they're really quick in day-to-day driving.

It's also true that the 3.0T is super-easy to modify, and that reaching M3-level 1/4 mile performance requires only is a simple ECU flash and an intake.

I think both are truly great cars with great motors, regardless.

[NYCM3ryder]

Originally Posted by Erhan

Only if you have ZCP + DCT.

lmaoooo

[davcrz5]

Originally Posted by AudiS5;[url

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lexus_is_f-vs-audi_s4_b8.html[/url]

Go to a track and race a manual, even better run it on the street. That thing will surprise you Before you start throwing out bold claims do some research, stock they're running into high-mid 12's.

Exactly my feeling do your reseearch before throwing out bold claims from what I've seen so far it's a high 12 low 13 sec car which is still quick imo and great car

Originally Posted by AudiS5

Wasn't saying anything bout track really. Straight line speed is there and fact of the matter is the S4 is closer to the isf to 150 then the isf is to the m3. And if you think its lazy go check out the 2013 model fanboi.

I'm just presenting facts not opinions from Dragtimes real world numbers fastest stock IS-F 12.379 fastest S4 12.698 and that was the only S4 that ran mid 12's that I could find.

At VIR IS-F on factory tires and M3 6mt with sport cup tires both ran 3:05.4 the B8 S4 ran 3:10.80 and RS4 ran 3:11.20 difference in time 0:05.76 sec I know your not comparing track times but this also help to illustrates huge differences in these vehicles.

Originally Posted by AudiS5

Had you been reading the thread you'd see I'm not arguing about the S5. I don't even know what the other poster brought it up...that car was a dog in the straight line category...now the S4 on the other hand is what I'm talking about. I ran a 12.51 in my current E90 M3. There are plenty S4's running into 12.7-12.8 category stock, some lower. Again, go and research the car and times people have done in it, again I'm not saying it'll beat an E9x in stock form just that you won't run away from it until high, high speeds.

I went to Dragtimes.com found only one S4 that ran in mid 12 sec range just one, must have been good driver and great conditions. Sure there may be more out there thay might be capable of hitting mid 12's but I would like to see at least a handful hit mid 12 mark with proof then everyone would have to acknowledge the fact that S4 can hit mid 12's consistently but until then people will doubt these claims with out hard proof not bashing its nice quick car just not as fast as M3 C63 or IS-F

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I don't remember where but before I bought my M3 I was thinking of maybe buying a B8 S4 and I saw a review where they said that they did the 1/4 mile in 12.5 at 108mph and for me that made a lot of sence since I raced one with my 12.5 109mph STI and we were exactly equal , exept for the nose he took when we WOT because of the my turbo lag ! And also there is this guy that pretty much confirm the thing :
http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi-S4-Timeslip-22323.html

When I went to dragtimes.com and compared stock 1/4 mile times of M3, IS-F and S4 these were results

Stock 1/4 Mile times M3,IS-F and S4

ET1/4 M 1/4MPH ET1/8 1/8MPH 60 FT Temp Stock Car Year Driver
12.379* 114.730 8.028 89.790 1.856 43.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2009
12.385* 115.010 8.077 91.010 1.945 41.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008
12.441* 116.420 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.466 113.790 8.104 89.040 1.911 46.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008
12.506* 115.290 8.171 89.510 1.964 55.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.510* 114.810 Yes BMW M3 Coupe 2009
12.540* 117.200 8.196 90.240 2.015 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Stev
12.565* 111.980 8.172 90.610 1.953 61.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.582 111.820 8.148 87.540 1.912 59.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2009 12.610* 113.110 Yes BMW M3 Sedan 2008
12.610* 113.020 Yes BMW M3 Coupe 2009
12.630* 112.640 8.231 88.210 2.005 55.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 12.670* 112.060 8.270 88.780 2.033 78.8 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.698 108.490 8.164 87.010 1.840 Yes Audi S4 B8 2010 Rob

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by davcrz5

...I went to dragtimes.com...

Right, cause we all know that everybody on dragtimes.com tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help them (fill in the deity of your choice) <facepalm>

Anyway, what do ISF 1/4 mile times have to do with the OP's question?

Just askin'...

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by davcrz5

Exactly my feeling do your reseearch before throwing out bold claims from what I've seen so far it's a high 12 low 13 sec car which is still quick imo



I'm just presenting facts not opinions from Dragtimes real world numbers fastest stock IS-F 12.379 fastest S4 12.698 and that was the only S4 that ran mid 12's that I could find.

At VIR IS-F on factory tires and M3 6mt with sport cup tires both ran 3:05.4 the B8 S4 ran 3:10.80 and RS4 ran 3:11.20 difference in time 0:05.76 sec I know your not comparing track times but this also help to illustrates huge differences in these vehicles.



I went to Dragtimes.com found only one S4 that ran in mid 12 sec range just one, must have been good driver and great conditions. Sure there may be more out there thay might be capable of hitting mid 12's but I would like to see at least a handful hit mid 12 mark with proof then know one can deny your comments but I haven't seen enough supporting data to back up your claims




When I went to dragtimes.com and compared stock 1/4 mile times of M3, IS-F and S4 these were results

Stock 1/4 Mile times M3,IS-F and S4

ET1/4 M 1/4MPH ET1/8 1/8MPH 60 FT Temp Stock Car Year Driver
12.379* 114.730 8.028 89.790 1.856 43.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2009
12.385* 115.010 8.077 91.010 1.945 41.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.441* 116.420 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.466 113.790 8.104 89.040 1.911 46.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008
12.506* 115.290 8.171 89.510 1.964 55.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.510* 114.810 Yes BMW M3 Coupe 2009
12.540* 117.200 8.196 90.240 2.015 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Stev
12.565* 111.980 8.172 90.610 1.953 61.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.582 111.820 8.148 87.540 1.912 59.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2009 12.610* 113.110 Yes BMW M3 Sedan 2008
12.610* 113.020 Yes BMW M3 Coupe 2009
12.630* 112.640 8.231 88.210 2.005 55.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 12.670* 112.060 8.270 88.780 2.033 78.8 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.698 108.490 8.164 87.010 1.840 Yes Audi S4 B8 2010 Rob

Obviously , there are not a lot of S4 on drag times and the one I see with the 12.6 could've without a doupt made a better time since 1.84 on the 60ft is not a bad launch but not the best neither ! And from my part after at least 30 runs with my stock M3 manuel the best time I could do was 13.1 at 111mph with a 2.1 60ft and that's on 3 differents days with different conditions . I run AD08 295 tires and still a bit of wheel spin when I put in 3rd so I think it's safe to say that the track is poor quality ! Also from my point of view if one S4 did 12.6 , all the S4 can do 12.6 ,probably not all the drivers doe !

So from my experience , my M3 is not a lot faster then a S4 until high speeds , maybe it's different for a DCT ! And just as a instrument of comparaison , my M3 was a bit faster then a IS-F from 30mph-140mph so my car is not sick !