Group Buy Carbon Plenum With Glass Top EAE Lab

[jp1984]

Originally Posted by omgzirra_exe

theres a vmax limiter yeah but not rpm related.

Ah, I must have been thinking of this. Thanks for the correction

Originally Posted by tdott

It will hit the stock redline, also they said the plenum was done with a stock tune (blue line), so both stock tune runs should hit the same redline.

Thanks, I was mistaken, this goes back into the realm of "no good explanation except to fudge the numbers" then

Appreciate the correction.

[Sam@EAELab]

The reason why the stock plenum with the stock tune run did not show that it hit the redline on the chart is that there was a Dyno operator error. It indeed hit the redline but unfortunately, the chart did not represent that. This was because of how the RPM was being measured on the Dyno itself. Initially, the RPM was based on the Gear Ratio which is essentially where the Dyno “estimates” the RPM based on the speed.

https://dynojet.zendesk.com/hc/en-us...-dyno-for-use-

We ended up changing the RPM Source to “Inductive” which eventually gave us more accurate readings. Attached is the chart for the Stock Plenum with the Tune vs 2 runs of the EAE Lab Plenum with the Tune with the Inductive RPM readings. As you can see on the chart, there was a 10 HP increase shown here as well. We consistently made between 10-15 HP on our runs and were done for the day. Mike advised us that there was no point in putting the stock plenum back on since at every run we started measuring the RPM by connecting to the coil, the power gains were consistently in the same range.

Finally, we never promised any HP gains when we first started this project. Now that we put our setup through rigorous testing that consistently showed an increase in HP and torque, we were excited to share it with the community. The chart that we have attached here should be the end of this discussion. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me directly and I’ll be glad to answer your questions.

By the way, I just realized that the final run with EAE Lab Plenum with Tune (Blue and Green) was redlined sooner than the Stock Plenum with Tune (Red). Maybe if we redlined the last run to the same RPM as the stock run, it would’ve shown more power.

[Sam@EAELab]

Originally Posted by Fooksdaddy

Can you tell us the dyno run order? Did it rain that day, What time did you start, how about the weight of the driver......Lunch, what did you eat?

I noticed that the power steering reservoir and oil filter housing was swapped during the different dyno's, how many HPs did that add?

We must know.....

I'm glad you noticed the Power Steering Reservoir. Unfortunately, it did not give us any HP gains. But, it is our hottest selling product and the design is currently being patented. This is our greatest achievement so far because it solved a problem that no other product could for the last two decades. However, this plenum design had its own challenges and we are also very proud of this accomplishment.

BTW, we ate at King Falafel and Grill for lunch. It was delicious and if you're ever in the area, be sure to check them out. You can never go wrong with some authentic Mediterranean food.

[Abdul]

This looks too good! Thanks Sam@EAELab for the the detailed replies and the dyno charts.

[pjacobs]

Originally Posted by Sam@EAELab

The reason why the stock plenum with the stock tune run did not show that it hit the redline on the chart is that there was a Dyno operator error. It indeed hit the redline but unfortunately, the chart did not represent that. This was because of how the RPM was being measured on the Dyno itself. Initially, the RPM was based on the Gear Ratio which is essentially where the Dyno “estimates” the RPM based on the speed.

https://dynojet.zendesk.com/hc/en-us...-dyno-for-use-

We ended up changing the RPM Source to “Inductive” which eventually gave us more accurate readings. Attached is the chart for the Stock Plenum with the Tune vs 2 runs of the EAE Lab Plenum with the Tune with the Inductive RPM readings. As you can see on the chart, there was a 10 HP increase shown here as well. We consistently made between 10-15 HP on our runs and were done for the day. Mike advised us that there was no point in putting the stock plenum back on since at every run we started measuring the RPM by connecting to the coil, the power gains were consistently in the same range.

Finally, we never promised any HP gains when we first started this project. Now that we put our setup through rigorous testing that consistently showed an increase in HP and torque, we were excited to share it with the community. The chart that we have attached here should be the end of this discussion. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me directly and I’ll be glad to answer your questions.

By the way, I just realized that the final run with EAE Lab Plenum with Tune (Blue and Green) was redlined sooner than the Stock Plenum with Tune (Red). Maybe if we redlined the last run to the same RPM as the stock run, it would’ve shown more power.

Burv, why do you keep doing these people like that!! It’s been crickets ever since you dropped this cart on them.

The real question is, why did the last run that had EAE Plenum with the tune end sooner than the Stock Plenum run with the tune? I don't see an explanation for why the EAE Plenum with tune run ended sooner than the stock plenum with tune. You need to go back to the dyno and do this again. LMAO!!!! Im sure you could’ve squeezed more HP if you redlined it all the way. Maybe youre fudging the numbers and showing LESS HP gains on purpose.

[jp1984]

Originally Posted by pjacobs

Burv, why do you keep doing these people like that!! It’s been crickets ever since you dropped this cart on them.

The real question is, why did the last run that had EAE Plenum with the tune end sooner than the Stock Plenum run with the tune? I don't see an explanation for why the EAE Plenum with tune run ended sooner than the stock plenum with tune. You need to go back to the dyno and do this again. LMAO!!!! Im sure you could’ve squeezed more HP if you redlined it all the way. Maybe youre fudging the numbers and showing LESS HP gains on purpose.

really i think you should be thanking the members for asking for clarity

otherwise it would have been left standing of an over 20 whp increase AND everyone would have been asking MEMBERS to dyno their cars to confirm, then it would have come out in the laundry there. so i see it as saving folks money too.

i say this as someone that does like that power steering pump as well and may purchase

trust but verify
if it really gained as much HP as originally advertised i suspect a whole lot more people would have preordered. as it stands, it is just another carbon plenum option, with some added bling offering no gains over the competition.

im not trying t grind an ax here, just have never seen such bizarre push for asking a vendor for a bit of clarity, if the community isnt here (at this point) for getting answers i am not sure what it is good for

[tdott]

I don't want to be the only one questioning the results posted, but since the clown thinks that reply silenced everyone...

I'll just point out that updated graph now shows:
345whp / 259 wtq - Stock Plenum w/tune (is that a typo? should it be stock tune?)
355whp / 264 wtq - EAE Plenum w/tune

The first graph showed:
323whp / 223 wtq - Stock Plenum and tune
335whp / 254 wtq - EAE Plenum - Stock Tune
355whp / 264 wtq - EAE Plenum - BPM Sport Tuned


Above description are from the graph, not mines.

How did the stock plenum jump from 323whp to 345whp? or maybe the label is right and they did dyno the stock plenum with the BPM Sport tune and got 345whp? But that must be some record, I don't think even BPM has ever claimed their tune gives a +22whp increase.

But then why did they say they didn't put the stock plenum back on?

Originally Posted by Sam@EAELab

Mike advised us that there was no point in putting the stock plenum back on since at every run we started measuring the RPM by connecting to the coil, the power gains were consistently in the same range.

With enough data runs which they claimed they did, I can manipulate those graphs to show you anything also. So at this point i'll just say that i've lost confidence that they are representing anything correctly, so there is no point continuing the back and forth, I'll just wait for truly independent dyno test from buyers.

Also worth pointing out, when trying to do scientific testing, you failed if you changed the testing parameters (rpm pickup points). Results should have been thrown out and not used without mentioned that fact like they tried to do.

Atleast they tried and it's better than nothing.

[pjacobs]

I’m all about trust but verify. But there comes a point where you stand down. They never advertised that it picked up 20 HP. Which post says that? They mentioned it adds 10-15 HP based on the Dyno runs they did. The dyno charts clearly prove this as well. Another member on the FB group did a dyno test with the Haimus plenum and saw 4-5 HP increase as well. So it makes sense, there is definitely some sauce in the Velocity Stacks Desing. I hope they offer that as a separate product for people who want to run their cars on the track without a plenum. So it’s great that we should ask for clarity but at what point do we stand down?

First questions came about the “Independent Dyno”. Man, people went all out CIA mode and were trying to figure out why some dude was tagged in the IG post and what his relationship was with EAE and how is that an Indepnedent Dyno. That was so comical. Once that was clarified is was done is Socal at LP racing, then it became about the redline. Once that was answered, a question came about the 20 HP increase on the BPM tune and how that must be world record. Bruv, stand down. Mike advertises a 15-25 HP increase on his website. Attached is a screenshot of his website. Just a few minutes of google would give you that answer. https://www.bpmsport.com/tune-bpm-e9x-m.html

I don’t think there is any typo. Sam can clarify when he has a moment. The car with the BPM tune increased 22 HP (Which is clearly advertised on his website). By adding the plenum, it increased another 10 HP. End of story.

345whp / 259 wtq - Stock Plenum w/tune
355whp / 264 wtq - EAE Plenum w/tune


Can you post the Haimus run that you had? The numbers are already out there but would love to see if it is consistent with the other dyno charts flowing around. Also, when do you think customers will start getting their plenums? What's the average lead time? Cheers.

[Abdul]

Drop dead gorgeous. The blue really suits the plenum.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by pjacobs

I’m all about trust but verify. But there comes a point where you stand down. They never advertised that it picked up 20 HP. Which post says that?

Look at the first dyno post made and IG.

Originally Posted by sparayno1

EAE Lab Plenum without tune
• 12-13 WHP gains/2-3 TQ gains (multiple runs)

EAE Lab Plenum with tune from Mike @bpmsport
• 30-35 WHP gains/10-15 TQ gains (multiple runs)

[omgzirra_exe]

lets just ask BPMSport since they did the mapping lol just cut straight to the source unless there's some non disclosures...

[Sam@EAELab]

Originally Posted by tdott

I don't want to be the only one questioning the results posted, but since the clown thinks that reply silenced everyone...

I'll just point out that updated graph now shows:
345whp / 259 wtq - Stock Plenum w/tune (is that a typo? should it be stock tune?)
355whp / 264 wtq - EAE Plenum w/tune

The first graph showed:
323whp / 223 wtq - Stock Plenum and tune
335whp / 254 wtq - EAE Plenum - Stock Tune
355whp / 264 wtq - EAE Plenum - BPM Sport Tuned


Above description are from the graph, not mines.

How did the stock plenum jump from 323whp to 345whp? or maybe the label is right and they did dyno the stock plenum with the BPM Sport tune and got 345whp? But that must be some record, I don't think even BPM has ever claimed their tune gives a +22whp increase.

But then why did they say they didn't put the stock plenum back on?



With enough data runs which they claimed they did, I can manipulate those graphs to show you anything also. So at this point i'll just say that i've lost confidence that they are representing anything correctly, so there is no point continuing the back and forth, I'll just wait for truly independent dyno test from buyers.

Also worth pointing out, when trying to do scientific testing, you failed if you changed the testing parameters (rpm pickup points). Results should have been thrown out and not used without mentioned that fact like they tried to do.

Atleast they tried and it's better than nothing.

Not looking forward to going back and forth. But, I would like to answer some of your concerns. The 345whp is Stock Plenum with BPM Sport Tune. The 323whp is Stock Plenum with Stock Tune. Yes, the tune had an increase of 22whp. BPMSport claims 15-25whp claims on their website so I’m not sure why you think that’s odd? BPMSport, please chime in whenever it’s convenient since the tune discussion is above my pay-grade. He’s the expert!

tdott, I see where your confusion is coming from. But, we never mentioned that the EAE Lab Plenum had a 20whp increase in any of our posts. We clearly mentioned in the caption that the EAE Lab Plenum by itself (without the tune) had an increase of 12-13whp. I thought this was pretty self explanatory.

Nonetheless, we appreciate the feedback from the community and would like to thank everyone who helped us arrive at this point. This was a project started by enthusiasts and is for enthusiasts and I’m glad people are asking questions and receiving clarification from our team. We are being as transparent as possible and will continue to have an open line of communication. If anyone needs anything else, please feel free to PM me and I will take care of you.

[captcham3]

This was a great read. Thinking about placing my order. It looks solid.

[Sam@EAELab]

Another update: Here are some new pictures of our beautiful BMW E9x M3 S65 Carbon Plenum with red velocity stacks! Enjoy the view.

If you are interested, here’s the link below. Thank you all again for your support! https://eaelab.com/products/bmw-e9x-...-carbon-plenum

[Fooksdaddy]

Noice, can’t wait to get mine!!!

[Sam@EAELab]

Thank you all for the support! We launched a poll last week to see which velocity stacks color would be the most popular. If you guys don't mind, please go ahead and vote for your favorite color with the link below. We'd like everyone's input on this. Thanks!

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1997690

[e92dud]

Has any of these actually been shipped to anyone yet? When I ordered mine, the impression was they would be ready the end of January.

[sparayno1]

Originally Posted by e92dud

Has any of these actually been shipped to anyone yet? When I ordered mine, the impression was they would be ready the end of January.

Haven’t received it yet either. Sounds like they are still finalizing some changes.

[e92dud]

Hopefully the changes are worth the wait.

[ckang008]

Planning to get this over the eventuri but will like to see some buyer experience first

Thanks

[e92dud]

I will definitely let you know if I ever get mine.

[TboneS54]

Looks like a gaming PC rig