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30k for 11.8's????? i was thinking at first it would be in the 10's for that money. all this talk about dumping 20g's into an evo to make mad power, but putting 20g's into an evo will get you into (or very very close to) 9's. if you have to spend that much money to run an 11.8 @ 120, i'll run you against an evo 9 with stock turbo with the following mods: cams/springs/retainers = 700 1000cc injectors = 340 walbro fuel pump = 80 intake, intercooler pipes = 600 diverter valve = 200 ported stock exhaust manifold = 100 stainless o2 housing = 100 turbo back exhaust = 300 3port boost controller = 75 intercooler = 600 tune on E85 = 300 labor for all the installs = 700 total = $4095 this will put you around 400whp on a mustang dyno (a 150whp increase over stock), and you'll be able to run mid 11's with it. so essentially for the price of that one mod, i can go out and buy a slightly used evo 9, mod it, still win in a drag race (and very likely road course as well), still be able to go get the groceries with it, AND have an unmolested m3 to show off to the boss...
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$300 turbo back exhaust??? Um please show me where unless this is southern backwoods home made straight pipe. Tune and Labor for 700??? what do you charge 20 bucks an hour lol??? Anyways on another thread I saw jon martin put down like 440hp at the wheels and caculated it to be almost 600 at the crank. Am I right jon? That actually sounds like the power band I would be looking for. Now that I think about it, a 500 hp stroker Ill be lucky to put down 400 at the wheels. I also saw niteriders video on another forum where he runs a GT2! Good lord. Quick Question! Of all the Supercharger designs, I have been looking at the intake system. Im curious between the Gintani or the GPower which one is the quietest. Anyone know?
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This customers car made advertised power without having a beaseline dyno done. The fact is and we told him several times if he wants to discuss power made he needs to have a beseline because we have no idea what power his car made before the install was done. The customer was upset that his headers did not add 20-30 hp on top of our rated power which is something we could never guarantee to someone. As far as anyone who questions our ability to supercharge BMW's correctly simply visit our website esstuning.com and look at the number of BMW's we make superchargers system for. With 14 years of proven expierence tuning and supercharging BMW's I would say we know a few things about how to properly build and tune kits Our current stage 2 E90 M3 supercharger only requires 5.5 psi to make 518 whp and our entry level stage 1 non IC kit makes 470 whp on 4.5 psi. You simply cannot make this kind of power on this low of boost unless you know how to design and tune supercharger systems properly. |
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My RS46 put down 432 whp and 337 wtq on a Dynojet SAE corr. And the car the only had 2-3K miles on motor then. The dyno is here http://www.m3post.com/forums/attachm...2&d=1240247317 Not trying to convince you of anything, just correcting your statement. |
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here is an 120 dollar exhaust for the evo (plus 80 for shipping) so iguess your right. its only 200 i've installed many of these exhausts, they are actually better then most of the high end crap. its a true 3" stainless steel mandrel bent exhaust that fits properly. i have one of the most expensive exhausts you can buy on my evo, and i've had to have all the hangers welded back on, the muffler welded back together, and i believe the internals of the muffler are falling apart. actually my rates run out to be around 100 dollars an hour. installing cams takes 2 hours, the manifold and o2 housing stuff takes 2 hours, intercooler pipes, intake, and intercooler an hour, and exhaust about an hour. fuel pump and injectors are maybe 30 minutes. i can have it all done in one evening if you want so as a shop owner, i know your getting raped on price funny thing is, the kit i bet has a common piston in it (wiseco, JE, mahle maybe) made to spec... which can be purchased for roughly 100-150 per piston. rods same thing. crank i would imagine is from another OEM BMW engine, but its possible they had one manufactured specifically for this. but hey, i guess if your willing to spend 900 dollars on a dinan air filter which is the same as the AMSoil filter i use which was 50 dollars, i can see why you can justify 26k....
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This is off topic . The OP wants to know how to can get an M3 to 500hp, so he probably couldn't care less about how much it takes to get an Evo there. Stop trolling and add something constructive .
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I wonder if HPF has any plans to develop a turbo for the new M? I'm sure they do down the line so maybe hold off a bit, I'm sure that'll be plenty of power for ya. they are currently doing R&D on the N54 engine..
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Do you really think that hardware design and tuning has nothing to do with how effecient a supercharger kit is ? You cant just slap a bunch of parts together make a generic tune and think that it does not matter because the kit you have will always make the same power as the next guy because you use the same blower and you run it at the same boost. If two different kits running the same blower at the same boost were compared head to head on the same fuel I guarantee the kit with superior tuning and hardware design will always make more power. |
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I say all this because you act as if the issue you had with G-Power was cool, your attitude comes off as "it's cool, I paid $15k for the S/C, it blew my motor within 2 months, it took G-Power 4 months to fix it, but G-Power is great either way, yay!!!!!" That shit was not cool at all nor Do I wish anybody to go through such headaches. Yet you wanna bash and make assumptions on other S/C companies, such as design and tunning. Ironic, isn't? Anybody can develop a S/C? G-Power couldn't. And the fact that they supposedly fixed it does not okay the 4 blown customer cars. |
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Easy answer here Gintani SC kit...Im prob the only CUSTOMER to have 10,000+ miles on an SC kit and im still very and trust me I drive my car HARD!
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my only input is to do the following (and since im assuming u have money due to your cars, hope im not offending the op): spend the money on: exhaust prob full Akra cause u mentioned not being too loud, pulley, and a tune...will cost you 6-10k can get used equipment...and you max the car out without going FI or STROKER...see if its TORQUEY enough for you...then if you're happy your done. If not, then you can go with either of the other 2 options. It will save you money and you will get to enjoy the engine as it is just maxed out, and if its not good enough, then you took a minor loss.
Or just test drive all of the 3 options and make a decision, although test drives arent always enough to make a decision like that. And Im not sure why everyone gets caught up in "im faster than you" or "what a waste of money" and between company bashing there is enough business for everyone to be happy, doesnt need to be a battle between all the companies, theres a market for everything. Same with the members in here...I would love a stroker motor as well, this is my first FI car, and i love it, pretty insane speeds, scares me and can only say the best about Gintani, highly recommend them, so helpful, feel like i have developed a new friendship. But that doesnt mean im gona talk shit on ESS, VF, RD, Dinan or G-Power ( although i would never recommend them, refering to G-power). FUCK! there a million fucking flavors of ice cream not every motherfucker has to like the same one! and be loyal to the one you like but dont talk shit for no reason.
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Imagine if BMW broke something and your car was out for a couple months. I guess only time will tell with the reliability of the kits. In my opinion, even 10-20K miles with no problems on an SC is not a testament of its reliability. We need to see 30-40-50K cars before an accurate statement on reliability can be made. Side note: Seems like AA and VF have been awfully quiet lately. I wonder what's going on in that camp.
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So as it stands I have heard nothing but good things about the Gintani M3's. Am I right? Gpower had some issues but are they worked out? If I don't have my car 4 months cause its blown, that will be upsetting, but most of these shops are 30 minutes away from me so I would be bugging the shit out of them every single day of the week.
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Also if ESS is so great where are their figures? I'm not talking about Dynos I'm talking actual 1/4 mile & 60-130 data, something usefull all they have are dyno sheets and pics yet they brag about having a bunch of their cars running their kits all over the place for like months in the arizona heat blah blah well then post something worth talking about up . I would have if my car kept working for sure but thats G-powers problem they gotta deal with that mess they created. Gintani has had their kit running on their development car but the owner is pretty busy and doesn't have alot of time to go to the track it was only 1 car up until last week when the 2nd one was done so expect their figures next week from Famoso. Is ESS gonna be there?? Any other FI companies ? Strokers ? I hope so, So we can see more then just pretty Dyno sheets. |
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On the Gpower site they mention: Modified DKG Controll 110.092.070D G-POWER BMW DCG Upgrade With cars that are equipped with the optional BMW DCG (double clutch gearbox), the electronic control unite of the gearbox needs to be remapped, when a G-POWER supercharger system has been installed. http://www.g-power.de/934.html?L=1&c...#Produkt_Start Anyone have any clue about this?
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