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With the modeling I have created that compares the 1M to a M3(6Mt), assuming best gear for acceleration is being used:
60-130 ->M3 wins ~0.4s delta 0-100 -> ~tie 0-80 ->1M wins ~0.1s delta 100-150 - >M3 wins ~0.6s delta The model is not perfect by any means, but a way to compare using torque, weight and gearing.
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Or you could use the Automobile Magazine test of the M3 versus 1M. The 1M was faster to 60 and faster to 110 (though only by about one tenth). That covers it for most daily driving and street encounters.
We will soon be reading that the M3 driver would have won "if the race had continued from 100 to 160 mph" just like we have often read that the M3 would have won "in the twisties." If BMW had put the DCT in the 1M, the performance would have been even better. |
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Stupid comparison (and I almost never use such strong words on a public forum), but that's what it is. Why would anyone who even remotely cares about speed do 30-50 in 3rd or 4th gear in M3? Second goes to 71MPH, so why not use it for all ranges in the test? 40-60 in 5th in M3 is not just pointless - if someone ever does that hoping to go fast, they seriously need driving school. Comparing cars in neutral would be about as smart as this...
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I'm a huge fan of forced induction cars, got a 335i. Let us really make this simple with 2 simple facts my dad taught me:
1) Longer wheelbase, better handling, easier to correct driving line, better power to tires (M3 Wins) 2) There is no replacement for displacement. (M3 Wins) 1M is just to get people into the feel of an M car (M=most powerful letter in the English language). The M3 is the proven car time and time again. |
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You guys are absolutely ridiculous.
Stop comparing 0-60, 0-100, 30-100 nonsense...you sound like a bunch of MBZ fanboys and need to stfu. These two cars are built to turn. Go assess how they handle at the track if you have something to say, otherwise don't say anything at all. |
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Here is the CARandDriver data. Different days but at least same testing methods. It shows the cars perform is almost identical when pushed to there respective limits. But there is no denying the 1M has 'more useable' power. The 'in gear' numbers reflect that. It is a meaningful test because 99.9% of the time when you are driving your car, you are in the 2-6k RPM range. 1M 0-30: 1.8 0-60: 4.5 0-100: 10.9 1/4mile: 13sec@109 30-50: 6.6sec 50-60: 5.6sec 05-60: 5sec M3 0-30: 1.7 0-60: 4.4 0-100: 10.3 1/4mile: 12.9sec@111 30-50: 7.7sec 50-70: 7.1sec 05-60: 5.1sec Just look at the dyno graph below. From 2k-6.4k the 1M has more hp and tq, the M3 obviously comes alive at that point and has more from 6.4-8.4k. One car has more power over 4,400rpm range the other over a 2,000rpm range, plain and simple!
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Anyways, I just read this in the recent Automobile's Full test and M3zcp Comparo Same day, same driver, same testing methods, same "slope"... The results: 0-60 1M: 4.5s M3: 4.7s 0-100 1M: 10.8s M3: 10.8s 1/4 mile 1M: 13.1s @ 110 M3: 13.2s @ 110 Like I said, both VERY similar results.
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I don't bring out the 'sigh' sign for just any reason, but this is deserving of it. I don't care if it hurts the 1M owners feeling or M3 owners for that matter. Facts are facts. I used the car and driver data they got from the 6MT test. Your test was done with the 7DCT. So if you want an apples to apples comparison that is what you need to use. So, how do you like them apples?
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When people make statements that are not true about the above dyno chart and inject their own 'opinions', that's what spawns the disagreements...
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http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...e8c595c4b5.pdf I updated your numbers with it: 1M 0-30: 1.8 0-60: 4.5 0-100: 10.9 1/4mile: 13sec@109 30-50: 6.6sec 50-60: 5.6sec 05-60: 5sec M3 0-30: 1.5 0-60: 3.9 0-100: 9.4 1/4mile: 12.4sec @ 114 30-50: 2.5sec 50-70: 3.4sec 05-60: 4.4sec I'm pretty sure this is a much more accurate relation, given that I've only had my M3 for a month or so, 1800miles, and on just my very 1st LC attempt I was able to get around 4.1 0-60, and 12.7 @111.... bottom line, we are debating something that is stupid: Both cars are outstanding for what they are, and it will be a driver's race for the most part! ps- please stop with the strawman's argument of "M3 had DCT blah blah blah", because it is just that, a dumb attempt to cripple the M3 on your part to make your point a bit more "believable". The M-DCT is on the M3, it is NOT on the 1M....no need to take it out of the equation just because it doesn't suit your point. It is akin to saying don't use the "power" button on the M3 because the 1M comes with only a 6 cylinder engine with less HP, etc.
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Going to be honest, I went from a wicked boxer rumble (STi) and the M3s V8 is sublimely refined to me. I've always admired F1 cars and having a V8 rev that high to me is priceless. The M3s motor is why I am an owner today. The 1M got a hand-me-down drivetrain. Not to say its not an excellent car but it doesn't have the unique design the M3 does. Maybe I'm too new but if the 1M was that close to the M3 they'd have never made it. There's a reason it costs +20,000 less.
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