E9x M3 vs. E46 M3 Driving Experience (2021 Edition)

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Stop it. Makes me want to cancel my G87 order and buy a pristine, slick top E90 M3.

… why would anyone want a G87 over an e90M? Heavy, boring engine dynamics, styling by pep boys, dead steering, disposable. No part of me remotely has any desire for a G87.

E36 practicality with e38 weight 🤣

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Obioban

… why would anyone want a G87 over an e90M? Heavy, boring engine dynamics, styling by pep boys, dead steering, disposable. No part of me remotely has any desire for a G87.

E36 practicality with e38 weight 🤣

Sadly, it's the lightest new M car on offer today, at a mere 1650kg for carbon roof& seats variant. It's hard to find a nice E90.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Sadly, it's the lightest new M car on offer today, at a mere 1650kg for carbon roof& seats variant. It's hard to find a nice E90.

Sounds like it’s time to not buy an M car, if buying a new car.

[14_deltaM3]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Sadly, it's the lightest new M car on offer today, at a mere 1650kg for carbon roof& seats variant. It's hard to find a nice E90.

Don’t cancel that order. From everything I’ve heard and read about it, the G is fantastic to drive.

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Sounds like it’s time to not buy an M car, if buying a new car.

They're selling M cars at the Caddy dealer, sorta

[VR1]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Sounds like it’s time to not buy an M car, if buying a new car.

I honestly don’t see the point in the G87. The 6MT G87 weighs more than the 6MT G82 M4.. so what’s the point? Would much rather have the F87 or a E90 (lighter, more interesting engine, better steering).

[Z K]

Originally Posted by DRLane

Dude you’re driving on track. Tools not jewels. Just let it go and you’ll feel 500lbs lighter from released worry.

Just kidding! I totally understand the desire to keep it spotless. I just gave up… Now I’m on a slippery slope to giving too little shits.

Haha, I totally get it. I recently got the clear bra re-done and new windshield because it was looking bad. Now it looks brand new again. No rock chips. But I was debating whether I wanted to spend so much to maintain the cosmetics. It is a lot of effort and money for maintenance. Money that can be spent on more seat time.

I've never owned a car so long before. 15 years and lots of happy miles. She deserves some TLC.

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by vr1

i honestly don’t see the point in the g87. The 6mt g87 weighs more than the 6mt g82 m4.. So what’s the point? Would much rather have the f87 or a e90 (lighter, more interesting engine, better steering).

i like rectangles ok sheesh

[ol doc gully]

Originally Posted by VR1

I honestly don’t see the point in the G87. The 6MT G87 weighs more than the 6MT G82 M4.. so what’s the point? Would much rather have the F87 or a E90 (lighter, more interesting engine, better steering).

I agree on the M2. But even the newest E9x is 10 years old. Even if finding a nice one with low miles, age brings headaches - window regulators, body control module, bushings, etc, etc.

Unfortunately.

As you can see I still drive one... but even as a happy fix-it-myselfer I can see the grass being very green over there...

[PYE46M3]

Originally Posted by ol doc gully

I agree on the M2. But even the newest E9x is 20 years old. Even if finding a nice one with low miles, age brings headaches - window regulators, body control module, bushings, etc, etc.

Unfortunately.

As you can see I still drive one... but even as a happy fix-it-myselfer I can see the grass being very green over there...

you mean 10 years old? So newer cars with a million sensors and all sorts of digital screens are more reliable? hmm maybe for the first few years. I rather have an out of warranty E chassis M car than any of these new M cars. Maybe with the exception of E60/E63 M5/M6

[ol doc gully]

Oops yes, 10, haha fixed

[Obioban]

Just rolled over 200,000 miles this weekend in my 23 year old (e39) M5. Did the cooling system, resealed oil areas, and repaced every bushing/bearing/ball joint in the car at 125,000 miles (when they originally started showing signs of aging), so will ignore them till 250,000. Been pretty problem free. The key to happiness with higher mileage cars is replacing everything when you're in an area, rather than doing it piece by piece as they fail-- you'll always be fighting something that way.

... not that that strategy worked on my e9X, which I sold because I couldn't stand working on it at 110,000 miles. e60 M5 would almost certainly share the same fate, if we put real miles on it.

[ol doc gully]

That may be a bigger part to what I was getting at than I said (or maybe even realized) - working on the E90 is just not enjoyable. Obviously I don’t expect the newer cars to be any better in that respect.

Interesting to know it’s that much better on the E39 M5. That was the main alternative I was considering.

[W///]

Originally Posted by PYE46M3

you mean 10 years old? So newer cars with a million sensors and all sorts of digital screens are more reliable? hmm maybe for the first few years. I rather have an out of warranty E chassis M car than any of these new M cars. Maybe with the exception of E60/E63 M5/M6

My oldest car is the E36, my newest one is the F87. I have no problem saying I'd much rather have the F87 than a lot of out of warranty E chassis M car, even though I like them. Not to mention there's plenty of these engines well over 100k miles.

Is it as easy to work on as an NA engine? No. Is it worth the effort? Personally, I think yes (but only to add to NA S engines, not replace )