M3 vs B8 S4 TFSI V6 3.0

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBMW2

The OP was talking about engine to engine, not track performance. The IS-F is rather lazy around most tracks by comparison. Lexus haven't had enough time yet to catch up to what BMW, Audi and Mercedes know.

Wasn't saying anything bout track really. Straight line speed is there and fact of the matter is the S4 is closer to the isf to 150 then the isf is to the m3. And if you think its lazy go check out the 2013 model fanboi.

[Garissimo]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

[...] but I also won't touch on how easy those cars are to mod.

Here's a stage 1 reflash on the S4 vs. a stock M3 and a tuned 335i:

So yeah, very underrated car from the factory, evil off the line and holds its own from a roll.

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBMW2

I'm looking for an issue of R&T so I can actually see that. I'm not sure how true that is. I do know they had the B7 RS4 at around 4.4-seconds to 60. So I'd be hard pressed to believe that about the B8 S4 with less power and similar weight.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...564774ca35.pdf

end of the discussion...you're not running away from that car stock vs stock until very, very high speeds...and modded its running away from you, trust me.

[I M STIG]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

No feelings hurt at all, but I owned an S5 for 2 years, drove an S4 for 6 months and have now owns my e90 M for over a year. Stock for stock you're not crushing shit. The manuals run in to the high mid 12's with a lower trap then our cars. All other things aside, you're not out running one of these cars by far in a 0-100 mph race. I'm not gonna get into other aspects of the car like handling, but I also won't touch on how easy those cars are to mod. The m is my favorite car to date, but I'm not ignorant to other cars. You're obviously uneducated towards what that Audi is capable of. As I said before. Anyone who thinks try would own this car race one from a dig to 100. A roll race is diff and I'm not arguing that or tracking.

I'm uneducated? You should find out what I do before you start throwing that around...

Your S5 would not have touched your M3 stock for stock. Talk all you want, it's just not happening. Manual for manual, DCT for S-tronic, it's not happening. I'm sorry, but it's not.

[I M STIG]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

Wasn't saying anything bout track really. Straight line speed is there and fact of the matter is the S4 is closer to the isf to 150 then the isf is to the m3. And if you think its lazy go check out the 2013 model fanboi.

I said it's rather lazy around a track. Sometimes it's fast, but it depends on the track. Some tracks lend well to the IS-F's weight, some don't. Simple as that. Lexus have done a good job, but they need a bit more time to make it that much better. I didn't say it wasn't a good or fast car. The fastest 0-60 I've seen was 4.3 seconds, which is no slouch.

Fanboy, my favorite name to be called by someone who's trying everything in the book to win a dead argument.

[I M STIG]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...564774ca35.pdf

end of the discussion...you're not running away from that car stock vs stock until very, very high speeds...and modded its running away from you, trust me.

Well they've obviously updated something for 2011. However, I'll judge that for myself when I get a brand new one in my hands. Until then, 4.4 isn't 4.1... So yes, I'm still running away. A good day for an S4 may see 4.4, but a bad day for me I won't hit 4.4. I'll still win, rain or shine. So will you.

Again, the S4 and S5 are good cars, but they're not M cars, plain and simple. If you're talking RS4 and RS5, then I'd say we have a decent argument on straight line performance.

[n54fanatic]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBMW2

Well they've obviously updated something for 2011. However, I'll judge that for myself when I get a brand new one in my hands. Until then, 4.4 isn't 4.1... So yes, I'm still running away. A good day for an S4 may see 4.4, but a bad day for me I won't hit 4.4. I'll still win, rain or shine. So will you.

Again, the S4 and S5 are good cars, but they're not M cars, plain and simple. If you're talking RS4 and RS5, then I'd say we have a decent argument on straight line performance.

Theres a big difference between the s5 and the s4, the s5 with the old v8 engine is slow as molasses it take forever for that car to get going, but the s4 given its FI V6 engine has instantaneous power and AWD, which means while a RWD car is spinning its tires off the line, the AWD is already gone...and RWD cars have no chance in the rain thats really where audis shine

[gblansten]

I have enjoyed this thread.

[JonnyM3]

I read "I'm uneducated? You should find out what I do before you start throwing that around..."

and stopped....never said it personally, maybe reread it and you'll clearly see towards Audi after that....but ignorance is ignorance...Enjoy your masterful M3 lol fanboyy

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBMW2

Well they've obviously updated something for 2011. However, I'll judge that for myself when I get a brand new one in my hands. Until then, 4.4 isn't 4.1... So yes, I'm still running away. A good day for an S4 may see 4.4, but a bad day for me I won't hit 4.4. I'll still win, rain or shine. So will you.

Again, the S4 and S5 are good cars, but they're not M cars, plain and simple. If you're talking RS4 and RS5, then I'd say we have a decent argument on straight line performance.

no you're just an ignorant M3 owner it's OK! Nothing was updated, and they've been running those times, and faster since their release. It's sad seeing owners like you giving other enthusiasts a bad name

[NYCM3ryder]

ok why are we comparing both cars?? regardless of the facts the m3 will win stock for stock. doesnt matter if its by a car length. end result is the same. now i saw a video with a modded one compared to a stock m3??? lol the m3 was it was still catching up. if you compare moddded s4 then at least compare it to a modded m3.. then see what happens. pointless thread

[Z K]

The S4 is amazing with just an intake and reflash. You are talking 100awhp increase on an Mustang dyno! No way can you get that kind of power from an M3 without a supercharger.

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by NYCM3ryder

ok why are we comparing both cars?? regardless of the facts the m3 will win stock for stock. doesnt matter if its by a car length. end result is the same. now i saw a video with a modded one compared to a stock m3??? lol the m3 was it was still catching up. if you compare moddded s4 then at least compare it to a modded m3.. then see what happens. pointless thread

You're right an M3 will win stock for stock 99% of the time...I'm not arguing that...But thinking you're gonna walk away, "own, destroy" like the above posters is wrong. The car is no slouch and thats the only point I'm trying to make.

[Singletrack]

My biggest issues with Audi are their handling, steering feelback, and their reliability. They've always made a lot of nice engines, and they also have some very attractive designs.

[Lexura]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

I'm not the one dreaming, pal. Maybe you shouldn't hold your car on such a high pedistool cause it's not that much faster considering the difference in price. We won't even get in to modded S4s

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/l...udi_s4_b8.html

Go to a track and race a manual, even better run it on the street. That thing will surprise you Before you start throwing out bold claims do some research, stock they're running into high-mid 12's.

What do you mean research? Did you mean magazine race which is what you are doin?
This is what an IS-F does to RS4. So you are saying that a 335 hp or so S4 will destroy his 420 hp brethren
?

Dream on the as S4 and its 3.0 engine will never match much less beat an M3 engine wise or race wise. Peace

[Alex07M3]

I have a stock e92 M3 and I've raced against a b8 S4 from a roll from about 30mph and it was pretty much equal until 70-80mph where I started to run away slowly ! I've seen a article that said the 1/4 time of a stock S4 was 12.5 108mph and I have no trouble to believe that since I was doing 12.5 109mph with my 09 STI and I was equal on the highway against an other stock S4 ! A manuel M3 will never do a better 0-60 then a S4 and a DCT would lose 9/10 ! An AWD car can easily take 2-3 car lenght on the start over a RWD with same performance ! I love the new S4 and specially the engine !! I have'nt drove one yet but it could be my next car , the M3 as a real nice engine but you need to rev it a lot to feel the power , a chipped S4 would maybe not be faster then a tuned catless M3 but it would surely feel more powerfull most part of the time !!

[n54fanatic]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I have a stock e92 M3 and I've raced against a b8 S4 from a roll from about 30mph and it was pretty much equal until 70-80mph where I started to run away slowly ! I've seen a article that said the 1/4 time of a stock S4 was 12.5 108mph and I have no trouble to believe that since I was doing 12.5 109mph with my 09 STI and I was equal on the highway against an other stock S4 ! A manuel M3 will never do a better 0-60 then a S4 and a DCT would lose 9/10 ! An AWD car can easily take 2-3 car lenght on the start over a RWD with same performance ! I love the new S4 and specially the engine !! I have'nt drove one yet but it could be my next car , the M3 as a real nice engine but you need to rev it a lot to feel the power , a chipped S4 would maybe not be faster then a tuned catless M3 but it would surely feel more powerfull most part of the time !!

Agreed, and that's exactly right u need to rev the v8 to redline to feel the power with any FI 6 cylinder engine it's already it max torque early in the rpm and finishes off with max horsepower at near redline... What most people are missing are not the peak numbers but the area under the curve is what is the most important

[signes]

This thread makes me want to take the B8 S4 for a spin... lol

[mmm def]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBMW2

I'm looking for an issue of R&T so I can actually see that. I'm not sure how true that is. I do know they had the B7 RS4 at around 4.4-seconds to 60. So I'd be hard pressed to believe that about the B8 S4 with less power and similar weight.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...564774ca35.pdf

It's in the back of all the issues too.

[Chachi112]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

No feelings hurt at all, but I owned an S5 for 2 years, drove an S4 for 6 months and have now owns my e90 M for over a year. Stock for stock you're not crushing shit. The manuals run in to the high mid 12's with a lower trap then our cars. All other things aside, you're not out running one of these cars by far in a 0-100 mph race. I'm not gonna get into other aspects of the car like handling, but I also won't touch on how easy those cars are to mod. The m is my favorite car to date, but I'm not ignorant to other cars. You're obviously uneducated towards what that Audi is capable of. As I said before. Anyone who thinks try would own this car race one from a dig to 100. A roll race is diff and I'm not arguing that or tracking.

I understand the fact that you have owned an S5 for over two years but you couldn't be more wrong... Clearly you have never brought the car to the track.. I owned a '10 for about 11 months because that's about the amount of time I will allow myself to be bored to death..in my life I would say I have close to 750 1/4 mile passes under my belt and years of bracket racing experience so I'm pretty good at getting the most out of a car on the strip... My S5 was a bone stock 6 speed manual and the best I could get out of it was 13.09@105.5 but it averaged around 13.15@105.... I've only done 3 passes with my stock dct ZCP '11 M3 coupe and the best was 12.43@114.5... The others being 12.47 and 12.51....it's pretty safe to say .65 in the quarter and 9mph in trap speed is a pretty sizeable margin...the Audi was a very well built car that was great to look at but that's where it ended... I can't speak about the S4 because I personally have no seat time in one but from seeing a few run by good drivers I would say 12.95-13.20 at around 108-09

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by Chachi112

I understand the fact that you have owned an S5 for over two years but you couldn't be more wrong... Clearly you have never brought the car to the track.. I owned a '10 for about 11 months because that's about the amount of time I will allow myself to be bored to death..in my life I would say I have close to 750 1/4 mile passes under my belt and years of bracket racing experience so I'm pretty good at getting the most out of a car on the strip... My S5 was a bone stock 6 speed manual and the best I could get out of it was 13.09@105.5 but it averaged around 13.15@105.... I've only done 3 passes with my stock dct ZCP '11 M3 coupe and the best was 12.43@114.5... The others being 12.47 and 12.51....it's pretty safe to say .65 in the quarter and 9mph in trap speed is a pretty sizeable margin...the Audi was a very well built car that was great to look at but that's where it ended... I can't speak about the S4 because I personally have no seat time in one but from seeing a few run by good drivers I would say 12.95-13.20 at around 108-09

Good real-world info.

...just for those following along that might not know, a tenth is roughly 1 car length in the 1/4. So you are talking 5-7 car lengths.

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by Chachi112

I understand the fact that you have owned an S5 for over two years but you couldn't be more wrong... Clearly you have never brought the car to the track.. I owned a '10 for about 11 months because that's about the amount of time I will allow myself to be bored to death..in my life I would say I have close to 750 1/4 mile passes under my belt and years of bracket racing experience so I'm pretty good at getting the most out of a car on the strip... My S5 was a bone stock 6 speed manual and the best I could get out of it was 13.09@105.5 but it averaged around 13.15@105.... I've only done 3 passes with my stock dct ZCP '11 M3 coupe and the best was 12.43@114.5... The others being 12.47 and 12.51....it's pretty safe to say .65 in the quarter and 9mph in trap speed is a pretty sizeable margin...the Audi was a very well built car that was great to look at but that's where it ended... I can't speak about the S4 because I personally have no seat time in one but from seeing a few run by good drivers I would say 12.95-13.20 at around 108-09

Had you been reading the thread you'd see I'm not arguing about the S5. I don't even know what the other poster brought it up...that car was a dog in the straight line category...now the S4 on the other hand is what I'm talking about. I ran a 12.51 in my current E90 M3. There are plenty S4's running into 12.7-12.8 category stock, some lower. Again, go and research the car and times people have done in it, again I'm not saying it'll beat an E9x in stock form just that you won't run away from it until high, high speeds.