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      06-22-2022, 03:20 PM   #639
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      06-22-2022, 07:42 PM   #640
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Where available, manuals are no cost options in BMWs and it's been that way for a long time. My 6MT M235 was no more than a 8AT AND I deleted the moonroof too which I didn't get any money back for that. In the end, I'll get way more money for my 6MT, no moonroof, LSD equipped M235 than the garden variety 8AT and moonroof equipped M235s the vast majority have. Manuals will ALWAYS command a higher resale in sporty cars compared to the autos, even if the autos are faster/quicker. I wanted my M235 to be the lightest, most connected, version of the car I could get. It weighs over 300lbs less than a comparatively equipped M235x. That's huge.
& it's still not an M2. Just a BMW. Just drive it
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      06-23-2022, 10:51 AM   #641
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& it's still not an M2. Just a BMW. Just drive it
True and I've driven my car hard for 6+ years and 60K miles. It's been super reliable too. I do love the M2. So sexy and a great chassis.

My M235 is running 245/35R18 tires up front which makes a MASSIVE difference in front end grip over stock. It's so obvious that BMW ran narrow front tires on the M235/240 to keep the performance gap between it and the M2 larger. My M235 is pushing around 380whp/400wtq so it's as quick as a M2 Comp when you consider the fact that my lightweight M235 weighs around 200lbs less than an M2C.

Once I get my 2003/2004 Corvette Z06 fun car, I'll likely sell my M235 and get an auto M240 or a OG M2 DCT for my daily. The chassis, room, reliability, and minimal tech of the 1st gen 2 series is too damn good to pass up.
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      06-23-2022, 02:32 PM   #642
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I think the point is that the 2 series was never meant to be a track weapon (see skinny tires, lack of camber adjust, brakes, etc.). The M2 does a decent job at filling in the gaps where the 2er is lacking (wide hips ), whether it is worth the extra $$ to one person or another is different story. Mods can usually be done to fill in the gaps if you drop enough money on any car.

I do enjoy my 2er as a DD, it does everything well for what I am after but am under no illusion that it would do well on the track in stock form.

Bringing it back on topic: It's a bit of the feeling I get when people compare the Z to the supra too... they are a bit too much apples and oranges.
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      06-24-2022, 12:04 PM   #643
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As a former multiple 300Z owner (87,93), I want to love this thing. They hit it out of the park with the retro styling IMO, but with most numbers that can’t beat my wife’s 5000 pound Cayenne S, that is a real disappointment.
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As a former multiple 300Z owner (87,93), I want to love this thing. They hit it out of the park with the retro styling IMO, but with most numbers that canít beat my wifeís 5000 pound Cayenne S, that is a real disappointment.
They could and should have done better.

I would buy a supra over the z any day of the week and I dislike the new supra.

It is like they thought they were competing against themselves. Yeah much better than the 370z. But cost wise is far away from the supra for what you get. Especially if you care about the aftermarket or potential.

Just my take, and I really wanted Nissan to hit it out of the park as I was/am a huge Nissan fan.
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