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      11-13-2017, 02:03 PM   #23
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E92 suck with manual. DCT is a no brainer. Signed manual fanboy who has owned both and two manual F8x afterwards.
You realize that this is totally a matter of preference, right?

My Porsche is PDK, and while it's lightning quick...it's still boring (to me).

I feel way more engaged in my M3.
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You realize that this is totally a matter of preference, right?

My Porsche is PDK, and while it's lightning quick...it's still boring (to me).

I feel way more engaged in my M3.
No I mean the 6MT itself in the E92 is a piece of clunky garbage. Not to mention the DCTs extra gear really helps with the lack of low end torque. Thats not preference
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You realize that this is totally a matter of preference, right?

My Porsche is PDK, and while it's lightning quick...it's still boring (to me).

I feel way more engaged in my M3.
No I mean the 6MT itself in the E92 is a piece of clunky garbage. Not to mention the DCTs extra gear really helps with the lack of low end torque. Thats not preference
I guess, but your disdain towards it is kinda weird.

Like I said...I feel way more engaged in the M than I do in the Porsche, which is a far more advanced system than DCT.

The feeling is a matter of preference.
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I guess, but your disdain towards it is kinda weird.

Like I said...I feel way more engaged in the M than I do in the Porsche, which is a far more advanced system than DCT.

The feeling is a matter of preference.
What makes the PDK far more advanced than the DCT? I have plenty of seat time in both and while I will say the PDK is a tad bit better "way more advanced" seems like hyperbole.
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I guess, but your disdain towards it is kinda weird.

Like I said...I feel way more engaged in the M than I do in the Porsche, which is a far more advanced system than DCT.

The feeling is a matter of preference.
What makes the PDK far more advanced than the DCT? I have plenty of seat time in both and while I will say the PDK is a tad bit better "way more advanced" seems like hyperbole.
Porsche just makes a much more quality car overall than BMW.

Plus, 2017 PDK vs say...2008 DCT? I'll take the PDK any day...even though it's boring.

Also, who buys an E92 M3 for torque?
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Porsche just makes a much more quality car overall than BMW.

Plus, 2017 PDK vs say...2008 DCT? I'll take the PDK any day...even though it's boring.

Also, who buys an E92 M3 for torque?
Eh if you say so man. They are all pretty much the same.

I didnt say I bought the E92 for torque I said the extra gear helps the lack of torque. If I wanted torque I would have kept my 600rwtq M4 I sold for the e92.
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+1, I wouldn't track the tires but for daily drive... 10 years on a tire that shows no dry rot and properly care for in a climate controlled environment are absolutely fine. Might not do 150mph in them but for the occasional drive around the city no issues there.
I wouldn't do much of any driving on tires older than 5-6 years, at least on a sports car like an M3.

http://www.thedrive.com/opinion/5189...rs-fatal-crash

"Roger, an avid car collector with more than 50 cars to his name—including what I believe is the largest collection of Saleen cars in the world—had just bought himself a Porsche Carrera GT out of a long-term collection.

The red-over-black Carrera GT was the right color combo and had a famous owner in its history: Graham Rahal. It also had only 3,500 miles on the odometer, making for a highly desirable example. He had just taken delivery of the car that week. Paul, as big of a gearhead as he was, had never been in a Carrera GT before. It was a Sunday, so the large office park was all-but-deserted save for AE’s small section of parking lot.

“Just once around the block.”

Once around the block was all it took to kill them both. The 3,500 mile Carrera GT was shod with its original tires. They, like the car attached to them, were 9 years old.

Roger lost control of the Carrera GT at an estimated 90 mph, and hit a tree.
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After 9-10 years, if those are still the original tires, they need to be replaced ASAP. It's certainly your call, but why would anyone drop $40k on a car and then not make sure that the only part that contacts the ground is in top shape?
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I wouldn't do much of any driving on tires older than 5-6 years, at least on a sports car like an M3.

http://www.thedrive.com/opinion/5189...rs-fatal-crash

"Roger, an avid car collector with more than 50 cars to his name—including what I believe is the largest collection of Saleen cars in the world—had just bought himself a Porsche Carrera GT out of a long-term collection.

The red-over-black Carrera GT was the right color combo and had a famous owner in its history: Graham Rahal. It also had only 3,500 miles on the odometer, making for a highly desirable example. He had just taken delivery of the car that week. Paul, as big of a gearhead as he was, had never been in a Carrera GT before. It was a Sunday, so the large office park was all-but-deserted save for AE’s small section of parking lot.

“Just once around the block.”

Once around the block was all it took to kill them both. The 3,500 mile Carrera GT was shod with its original tires. They, like the car attached to them, were 9 years old.

Roger lost control of the Carrera GT at an estimated 90 mph, and hit a tree.
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After 9-10 years, if those are still the original tires, they need to be replaced ASAP. It's certainly your call, but why would anyone drop $40k on a car and then not make sure that the only part that contacts the ground is in top shape?

I personally do change tires after 5 years regardless of wear and tread-life.
The incident in which Paul Walker and Roger died was because they were speeding way above city limits and doing 90mph. Regardless of what tire they were using, an accident like that was bound to happen. I'm sure the old tires contributed to the cause but I wouldn't consider it the main reason why they crashed and lost their lives.
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Porsche lawyers had to blame something to reduce payout.
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I personally do change tires after 5 years regardless of wear and tread-life.
The incident in which Paul Walker and Roger died was because they were speeding way above city limits and doing 90mph. Regardless of what tire they were using, an accident like that was bound to happen. I'm sure the old tires contributed to the cause but I wouldn't consider it the main reason why they crashed and lost their lives.
While certainly speed was a factor and driving around an office park at 90MPH was obviously a bad idea, according to many (including the author of the article), the turn was one that even a mediocre car could handle with ease, and certainly Roger Rodas driving a Carrera GT. But on 9 year old tires, it was never going to work.

Either way, to the OP, 9 year old tires on a sports car should be a great big, flashing red no-no.
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Porsche lawyers had to blame something to reduce payout.
We don't know what Porsche paid out since it was settled privately. A judge ruled them not liable at one point and Walker's estate sued and settled with Rodas' estate.
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I guess, but your disdain towards it is kinda weird.

Like I said...I feel way more engaged in the M than I do in the Porsche, which is a far more advanced system than DCT.

The feeling is a matter of preference.
Although I agree that manual is great fun (I miss owning a manual car), I wouldn't say PDK is far more advanced, I don't think anyone would be able to notice a difference in shift speed between the two. A buddy of mine who got a PDK Porsche after his DCT M3 would complain non-stop about how boring the PDK was because of its smoothness and no-drama gear shifts. He missed the DCT and how hard it would shift which really makes it much more fun to thrash around.
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tires yes, if you wanted to do some track time etc but other rubbers/hoses etc should be fine this isn't a car built in the 60's. My 08 has sat in a garage for 5 years and only put almost 4k miles on it, but the tires are stamped from 2009 and guees what no dry rot, no flat spots nothing abnormal. I'm not saying I would go and take it to the track with those tires but storage purposes and occasional drive its fine. Its all where and how the car was stored believe me.
Again, it's not that the parts are automatically bad on an '08 with such low miles, it's that you can't change the fact that they've got 9-10 years of age on them. Any parts that age will have already aged that much more than on a newer car. In light of that, this car would have to be less than $40k for me to be interested.

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You realize that this is totally a matter of preference, right?

My Porsche is PDK, and while it's lightning quick...it's still boring (to me).

I feel way more engaged in my M3.
I've got just the opposite--my Porsche is a 6-speed and my M3 is a DCT. I personally think it's more 'nostalgia' for most than anything else, and the manual in the E9x just doesn't have that great of a feeling to me.

That said, I couldn't say that I felt more 'engaged' in one car or the other. Not sure I've never really understood what people mean by that, but if someone made me answer, I'd say that I feel most engaged in my cars with less horsepower than my M3. That is, feeling like I have to wring every bit of power from the car is what grabs my attention. In that sense my Miata NA is the most engaging vehicle I have, and I can't say that it sure isn't the most fun.

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Porsche just makes a much more quality car overall than BMW.
Except for that one time mine required a new engine, I might have agreed with you.
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@ The guys not liking the 6MT in our cars, have you tried a different shifter with any beneficial results? I'm a manual guy for the toys, but I'll say that the shifting seems a bit rubbery and non-involved. Curious if this alleviates the shifting concerns.
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@ The guys not liking the 6MT in our cars, have you tried a different shifter with any beneficial results? I'm a manual guy for the toys, but I'll say that the shifting seems a bit rubbery and non-involved. Curious if this alleviates the shifting concerns.
I had the UUC short shifter on mine. Was a little better but still not good. BMW made a huge leap with the 6MT in the F8x cars. Too bad they are trending towards no manuals though.
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Here's a '13 with 4k miles for $46k. I'd take this all day long over an '08 for $40k.

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Back on topic, for some this may be unreasonable because of age and also because the fact that you could buy exact car up to 2013, it's an e92. Give it a couple of years and see how hard it will be to get a e92 with those miles despite the fact that more were build then the e90 version. Think buying an s65 with 10k miles. Try finding an e90 in that configuration and see how reasonable that price becomes real fast.
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Depends on when and how much he got in it for.

As I said above, back in 2010, I paid $45 for the same mileage 2008 sedan. If it was my experience, then he ate 5k for depreciation for looking at it for 7 years, not bad at all.

My car has 64k miles on it now and has depreciated to $27k or so.
That’s true,but SOMEBODY got to eat the depreciation without driving it!

It’s a good deal for a barely used car..
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Another low mileage M3 being used as a track car? $30,000 in upgrades.


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Berlin is really close by... I might have to take a look.
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E92 suck with manual. DCT is a no brainer. Signed manual fanboy who has owned both and two manual F8x afterwards.
No. Just... no. :

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What makes the PDK far more advanced than the DCT? I have plenty of seat time in both and while I will say the PDK is a tad bit better "way more advanced" seems like hyperbole.
It's no more hyperbole than simply saying these cars "suck" in 6MT, and even less hyperbole than you claiming to be a manual fanboy.
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