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That is a cheap shot! They used their own veteran professional race car driver to beat the M3's lap time by someone who never raced competitively.
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To all you who are not impressed with Michael Coopers performance, shame on you. The kid is 21 and his only track experience is from Skip Barber racing school. This isn't a 1/4 mile straight track, street race, or anything of the sort. This is real racing on a real track that started out with WET conditions. He is an amateur that lost to John H. (a PROFESSIONAL corvette and test driver for GM) by 5 seconds!!!! I'd like to see any of you put down those numbers, stock, when you have never driven that track in your life. Chicane or not, to not be impressed with his performance just shows how idiotic some of you are.
Oh and the whole thing about not being impressed with Bob Lutz either because of his age is ludacris too. I betcha Michael Schumacher will still be putting down great times when he is 70+. Lutz held his own.
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Was that old guy holding the racing helmet Lutz? Anyways I hope Cadillac takes out full page ads with the results. Speaking of real pro drivers, didn't the Stig get 1:25.3 - BMW M3 (E90) and 1:33.4 - Cadillac CTS-V (very wet) ? |
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If I recall correctly, Lutz ... while at Chrysler ,landed his Czech fighter jet with the landing gear UP!!. That was a good 15 yrs ago. Cheers to him for getting the car around the course in one piece.
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And not to mention abusing your own car as stock- I thought about doing this thing as well but part of the requirements was to not use it as publicity or cover it from a media perspective and let's be honest there was no way I was not doing that and I honestly doubt I could have thrown down a number like Cooper did, that is a great time for an ///M3 on that track!
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I don't know guys - not sure I would be giving Michael Cooper the thumps up for beating Lutz? The M3 should be much quicker than the CTS-V (doesnt it weigh around 4300lbs?) around the track and to be beaten by 4+ seconds is almost an eternity.
This past weekend I was at a track that was very technical with over 20 turns. A guy in an M3 was passing an R8 and an 09 GT3 (all were very competent drivers) regularly. Put that guy in the car and he would have beaten all the times I am sure. But congrats to Michael Cooper...I guess?? Looks to me like Cadillac's publicity stunt paid off in spades - exactly what they were looking for |
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My point was he would have beaten all the times, not just the competitors, just because they dont "count" doesnt mean they dont exist. If Michael Cooper beat any of the the times that dont "count" I am sure everyone here would still be talking about it.
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The pro racer that got the best time, Heinricy, whos had tons of time with the CTS-V as a test driver and tons of time on that specific track, only beat Cooper by 3.864 seconds. Really?? Thats not impressive?? Dosnt deserve a thumbs up huh? You have no idea what you're talking about. And obviously, you are going in this discussion thinking the CTS-V is not a capable car. Hows this for capable... The CTS-V with the same driver, John Heinricy, lapped the nurburgring in 7:59!! Thats the same number the C6 vette put out and the Porsche 911 Carerra S The best official nurburgring lap time for an M3 is 8:05 But im sure if it was ur buddy in the M3 driving, he would have killed Heinricys time lol I hate when people downplay some shit they have no idea about.
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And here I find the CTS-V being comfortably quicker. I don't know who the bimmer driver is, but I can tell you that: A) Mr. Lutz is a 77-year-old marketing guy. B) Mr. Heinricy has racing experience in the distant past and is fast, but make no mistake. He is a chief development engineer for GM's high-performance cars, and is NOT a race driver. I had sort of mildly discounted the Cadillac's 'Ring times because it had a roll cage, but huh, I guess it's about as fast as they claim it to be, comfortably faster than the M3, and unbelieveably fast for such a porker. So the moral of the story is: If you're at a light next to a CTS-V, just start screwing with the radio or something, becasue he's going to smoke you to the first turn, and then keep smoking you through the twisties ahead. Damn! They're not making them anymore! Bruce |
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You're from Canada. You don't "count."
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Your missing the point - Everyone here is giving him the thumbs up for beating Lutz, not the two journalists. I think he did pretty well all things considered. I think Heinricy is a great driver and lets be honest, he probably left some time on the track. Put Cooper in the CTS-V and he would have been slower, not faster, just like Heinricy would have been faster around that track in the M3 I am sure. That's the point. I would have thought he would have been faster than the first journalist by more than .7 seconds on that type of track. I was at the track the past weekend and in a 28 min lapping session I was passing a 800+hp GTR twice - does that earn me bragging rights - nope, clearly the car was either too much for the driver or he was a noob to the track. It appears this Michael Cooper has a bit a driving history himself so I would have thought the gap would have been less. |
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John Heinricy is not a "professional race driver." He had a long and distinguished career at GM in which he rose to Corvette Chief Engineer and Director of the GM performance division. He retired in October 2008, just before GM filed Chapter 11.
He is an experienced SCCA competitor with a number of championships, but he is an amateur racer. He never competed professionally, and was a little busy with other duties to rise to GM senior management . As I said before, I don't know much about Mr. Cooper, but he also appears to be an accomplished amateur racer as well, just like Mr. Heinricy.
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Versus the time set by a kid off the street in his stock M3 whose sum total track experience is the Skip Barber Racing School. Ouch. Quote:
The facts are these - Lutz arrogantly issued a challenge for all comers to bring their sedans to race the CTS-V with himself at the wheel, thinking it was going to be some kind of media coup for GM. Instead they got beaten by a random M3 owner and they had to call in their A team pro drivers in order to wipe the egg off of their faces. tl;dr LOL GM
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