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      11-27-2020, 01:00 PM   #133
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      11-28-2020, 07:30 AM   #134
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If they do this so early, some people are going to get hurt. Its not ready if you can take your eyes off the road or jump out of the driver seat. The YouTube and tiktoks are coming
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Really, you don't just find it more relaxing to be in complete control of the vehicle rather than relying on the machine and have to be at the ready if it fucks up? What happens if (when) it puts you in a situation YOU can't get out of?

Sorry, I just don't get it.
You have full control at anytime with just a small input to the steering, gas pedal or brake. If anything the system responds quicker. I'm not a fan of the Google car with no steering wheel or brake either but having these driver assistant makes daily commute very relaxing.
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If an accident or death occurs
If someone spams in and make changes
If fog in area
If rain in area
If sensor failure

To many possibles that makes me only go with human control only. And what if someone plows into my vehicle and injure or death occurs ? I sue the owner, the program company, the auto maker, Who ? How long will this drag out in court while it generates through the courts ?
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      12-01-2020, 03:18 PM   #137
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If an accident or death occurs
If someone spams in and make changes
If fog in area
If rain in area
If sensor failure

To many possibles that makes me only go with human control only. And what if someone plows into my vehicle and injure or death occurs ? I sue the owner, the program company, the auto maker, Who ? How long will this drag out in court while it generates through the courts ?
I will base this on cases that have happened already, with tesla and uber, and my assumptions

If an accident or death occurs - blame the driver. They signed that they must be ready to take over at any time.
If someone spams in and make changes - no driving capabilities are accessible via remote systems only the local system. Use hackatons to prove it cant be done.
If fog in area - driver judgement call if safe, else take over.
If rain in area - driver judgement call if safe, else take over.
If sensor failure - critical sensor failure cause the system to stop, driver must take over
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I will base this on cases that have happened already, with tesla and uber, and my assumptions

If an accident or death occurs - blame the driver. They signed that they must be ready to take over at any time.
If someone spams in and make changes - no driving capabilities are accessible via remote systems only the local system. Use hackatons to prove it cant be done.
If fog in area - driver judgement call if safe, else take over.
If rain in area - driver judgement call if safe, else take over.
If sensor failure - critical sensor failure cause the system to stop, driver must take over


And I found out it is a fact that they want you to be alert, ready to assume control, make the judgement call to remove the control from the car to you, keep your eyes on the road and YOU are to blame for anything that happens .... WHY HAVE THE DAMN THING ... and be the one to pay for it ?

I believe it was three years ago, in Arizona, during a night test drive, a guy didn't have his eyes on the road, there was a thin layer of fog and the sensors could not see a person crossing the road and killed them. They are keeping the case quiet and were still in litigations the last I heard of it.
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This is super old by tech standards but it's a broad generalization to say that it isn't possible. There's also the whole On Star thing where your car can be shut down remotely (mostly seen in Hollywood).
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I will base this on cases that have happened already, with tesla and uber, and my assumptions

If an accident or death occurs - blame the driver. They signed that they must be ready to take over at any time.
If someone spams in and make changes - no driving capabilities are accessible via remote systems only the local system. Use hackatons to prove it cant be done.
If fog in area - driver judgement call if safe, else take over.
If rain in area - driver judgement call if safe, else take over.
If sensor failure - critical sensor failure cause the system to stop, driver must take over


And I found out it is a fact that they want you to be alert, ready to assume control, make the judgement call to remove the control from the car to you, keep your eyes on the road and YOU are to blame for anything that happens .... WHY HAVE THE DAMN THING ... and be the one to pay for it ?

I believe it was three years ago, in Arizona, during a night test drive, a guy didn't have his eyes on the road, there was a thin layer of fog and the sensors could not see a person crossing the road and killed them. They are keeping the case quiet and were still in litigations the last I heard of it.
Are you referring to the test program of uber? If so, that case was found the driver to be at fault and liable
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https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hacker...-jeep-highway/
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33650491
https://www.wired.com/2015/09/gm-too...s-onstar-cars/

This is super old by tech standards but it's a broad generalization to say that it isn't possible. There's also the whole On Star thing where your car can be shut down remotely (mostly seen in Hollywood).
Let me rephrase, it is highly improbable (effectively impossible), if a smart design is applied to the software and OS. Jeep and GM applied foolish design to those cars and the probable occurred (disastrous remote control).
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How on earth can you stop a mechanically actuated hydraulic brakes from stopping. Only a few vehicles are pure brake-by-wire. You could potentially activate the brakes if such vehicle have adaptive cruise. I didn't know any 2010 Impala with such technology.

The only major concern I have with this type of electronic is the ability to turn off the vehicle at high speed. Such an occurrence can be done by the authorities asking OnStar to shut down your vehicle.

Additionally, you can be locked inside your vehicle in a late model Saab (before the company demise) if the alarm is activated. The locking mechanism, outside key tumbler and inside door handles are not connected! The vehicle under duress will lock itself, turn on the siren and leave anyone locked inside. Only a phone call to OnStar or if you have an actual electronic key fob could deactivate the alarm. Unlocking the outside key tumbler with an actual mechanical key does not deactivate the alarm nor does it unlock the vehicle. This is when you suspect your car has something to do with Skynet.
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Are you referring to the test program of uber? If so, that case was found the driver to be at fault and liable
Because the technology is not ready and still needs a person to over ride it, at which point it is not autonomous is it.

Madness. All of it. Absolute pipe dream.
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