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01-12-2012, 01:50 PM | #133 | |
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- basic stock models (basic engine, basic looks) - basic stock models with only a few M Performance optional accessories available (spoiler, etc.) - M Sport/M Package models (basic engine, upgraded looks and a few "reasonably sporty" M accessories) - M Performance package (engine and chassis tweaks, upgraded+ looks, even more sporty M accessories) - M Performance models on their own - genuine M models on their own. First thing to rationalize and make the range more consistent, the M Performance accessories should only be available on the M Sport. And as you say, only a few of these M Performance accessories should be available, not the whold package that would make a 116i look like a real ///M135i... I hope that the show-car on the above pictures was just a show-off of what would actually look the true ///M135i and that most of these mods won't be available on a regular F20. |
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I'm in the camp that would have favoured emphasis on iS or M-Sport. M is revered; if that letter is on the badge then the car should be a true M-car. If they want a performance line, they should use the iS branding, and market it as having been finessed by the M division. That's enough to satisfy people in the know, while offering something with a little more edge to the buying public.
BMW did the right thing when they chose to leave the M1 badge off of the 1-series M Coupe. They need to apply the same sense to the M brand as a whole. There's nothing to stop them from pushing M into hardcore territory - just offer a new trim to fill the void. My $0.02.
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01-12-2012, 02:13 PM | #136 | |
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Mercedes is different. Their version of Audi's "S" and BMW's "iS/M-sport" is just a package that comes with the base model. They don't have a real in-between model line. Their AMG package is more similar to S-line or M Package that come as an option with the base cars.
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I previously had the same opinion, but the problem is that almost no one knows the is badge because it is less charismatic and because as far as I know only 2 is models have been released... vs plenty of Audi S for instance. BMW could have decided to extend and develop the is/id range but building a new badge out of nothing costs a lot of time and money and the success is uncertain. And again, having M in the name makes it so much more attractive than is.
While an ///M...i/d badge will immediately appeal to most customers because of the M aura, just like an Audi S gets credit from the aura of the RS badge... In the end, this new M Performance range is less of a watering down of the legendary M badge than the M Sport, and I don't think anyone complains about the M Sport tarnishing the M iconic image. Moreover, this new M Performance line will not only get esthetic upgrades and a stiffer chassis (like a simple M Sport) but sensible engine upgrades, even sportier chassis and high performance brakes... on top of the specific esthetic accessories. In my mind these ///M...i/d won't at all offend the M image because they will have some serious material to back up their name, and if there was anything shameful it would be the M Sport, not the M Performance... These will be hot little Ms... and probably sell like hot cakes And yes, Audi's badges S and RS are distinct, but these sporty badges are closely related to each other and the logos keep the same design, there is some strong market consistency here : On the paper and on the road, BMW could fight the Audi S range with an is range no problem, but upstream in the market fight, a 335is for instance is most certainly perceived as being just an upgraded 335i, while if you look at Audi, the S-Line sounds like it's being derived from the S which itself seems derived from the RS, although these are only perceptions. And by the way, given that the M Sport already bears the legendary M logo, BMW just had to market this whole new intermediary line with the M logo as well, for consistency reasons The is range was clearly a marketing error, probably because at the time BMW didn't imagine issuing a whole new range in order to compete against the Audi S range. Well now it's a necessity. Last edited by advantage20; 01-12-2012 at 02:58 PM.. |
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These videos crack me up. I know this is way off topic but the latest one about the new GT500 is entertaining as well.
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so the m car will remain what they have become, more and more watered down.
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No official announcement yet on the X3M? Maybe they're just waiting to find the right market Nitschke.
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Then the M2 is dead for me ... and buying a half ///M like the M235i in the meantime? Hm - sorry - no. Look elswhere then.... |
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In the end we all know that a genuine M will remain radically different from its downmarket siblings, so rather than a watering down of the iconic M badge, this M Performance range should strengthen the BMW brand by shedding down some of the M light and value over the regular models. Quote:
Exclusivity doesn't mean everything against nothing, M's potential allows for several levels of exclusivity for covering several market layers. In the end, keeping the M brand exclusive and confidential is foolish because it has an extremely high selling potential, and so far BMW have been selling cars, not making artwork (yet, successfully selling cars allows them to massively invest in research and development, to remain the best, and from time to time to issue some iconic model which could be qualified as art). But keeping a few models exclusive and rare for the brand's image (like the 1///M), yes, why not. Anyway, even with the growing demand for powerful M cars in certain countries, BMW's global core sales will remain medium range 1 and 3 series, so no panic, we won't see the M badge trivialized at every street corner Last edited by advantage20; 01-12-2012 at 05:20 PM.. |
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Thats what i'm hoping for too...
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This is exactly on point and I posted much of the same sentiments on the M5board. I am one of the forums wishing for more 'focused' M models. I am afraid mostly of this quote by Dr. Nitschke: "We are targeting our efforts at customers looking for more emotionality and more performance, but who don't want to forgo the everyday usability of their cars," said Dr. Friedrich Nitschke, President of BMW M GmbH. So the current lineup of M models is not useable daily? This shows me that BMW M is going in the opposite direction than I wish they would of coming out with a bonkers M3/M5 GTS/black series type of option. They are saying that the new turbo M5 and upcoming M3 are enough and in fact that they need to offer a watered down version. I am not a badge person but I also do not look forward to explaining to non-enthusiasts that their M335i or M550d is not quite the same as a "regular" M car. I think I am moving on to other car options at this point. It has been fun!
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I actually just realized that that isn't black tape over the name but the black strips of the M Performance package
However I'm sure that this F30 "Performance Studie" is a show-car similar to the 120d F20 "Performance Studie" from the previous page in that their intent is to show what the real ///M135i and ///M335 will be like visually without being the real deal since it is still too early to divulge their names. |
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As an aside this all reminds me of the great quote by Yogi Berra who said "Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded."
Soon it will be nobody drives M cars anymore; there's too many on the road.
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^^ Exactly.
Part of the reason M is so coveted is because of its exclusivity. Top engineering, top performance, relative rarity. If M becomes too commonplace, it will lose its lustre, the same lustre that BMW is banking on to sell its "M Sport" kits and now "M Performance" versions of vehicles. It's the way the world works. If every kid can receive an A, an A student is nothing special.
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But to be honest; BMW is taking this a bit too far... I would understand a BMW M super car but when every car is an M car it won't be cool anymore.
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I don't like this. There are only certain conditions I believe this will be a positive change.
1) For these new "M" vehicles to have the M in front of the numbers in normal font and not an ///M badge 2) For the actual ///M cars to become even more amazing and less luxurious and more performance oriented (less weight, more handling, more grip, more serious, I think we're pretty good on the power figures) Basically an M3 GTS should be a normal M3 (without the ridiculous price which I still don't understand).
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