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      05-10-2018, 08:14 PM   #1
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2008 flywheel/clutch

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I'm looking into getting an m3 and recently came across a 2008 e92 manual. I have heard about problems with the clutch change but i'm not sure if I understand what exactly is going on. From my understanding you have to replace the flywheel with the clutch? Anyone know what milage the most clutches are replaced at. Also has anyone changed a 2008 clutch what was the cost if so? Should I just shy away from the 2008 model year?
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I’ve read that flywheel itself cost up to $1700 without clutch
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      05-10-2018, 09:05 PM   #3
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The 2008 clutch setup is obsolete. The “new” clutch and flywheel (2009-2013 M3) is a different size which means you can’t just put a new style clutch on your old style flywheel. You have to buy a new flywheel ($500-700) and new clutch ($300-500) and install them together.
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is there any way to "upgrade" or "update" the 2008's clutch and flywheel?
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is there any way to "upgrade" or "update" the 2008's clutch and flywheel?
You can check out the offerings from Spec or OS Giken. The factory design is a twin disc clutch FYI.
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      06-20-2018, 10:22 PM   #6
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is there any way to "upgrade" or "update" the 2008's clutch and flywheel?
I would read the post immediately preceding yours since it answers your question.
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      06-21-2018, 07:47 AM   #7
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You can check out the offerings from Spec or OS Giken. The factory design is a twin disc clutch FYI.
Is it a twin disc setup or simply a dual mass flywheel?
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Twin disk refers to the clutch disk quantity. Flywheel design is separate from that. OEM are all twin disk clutches with a dual mass flywheel. Most aftermarket clutches are single mass flywheels with dual or multiple clutch disks. They have a couple different styles to choose from depending on what you're after.
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      06-21-2018, 08:46 AM   #9
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Hi
I'm looking into getting an m3 and recently came across a 2008 e92 manual. I have heard about problems with the clutch change but i'm not sure if I understand what exactly is going on. From my understanding you have to replace the flywheel with the clutch? Anyone know what milage the most clutches are replaced at. Also has anyone changed a 2008 clutch what was the cost if so? Should I just shy away from the 2008 model year?
Thanks guys
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All depends on the driver who owned the car. If he knew how to drive a manual correctly and didn’t abuse it the clutch should last well over 100k.
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      07-19-2018, 11:32 AM   #10
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All depends on the driver who owned the car. If he knew how to drive a manual correctly and didn’t abuse it the clutch should last well over 100k.
Not true at all for this car. Had prior 20+ years of manual gearbox driving experience and never a single problem with clutch/flywheel before. My M3 flywheel failed at 24k miles and I never did anything crazy with it, never launched. I have no doubt it's factory defect or factory misassembly. There were no previous owners, i bought it new.
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Not true at all for this car. Had prior 20+ years of manual gearbox driving experience and never a single problem with clutch/flywheel before. My M3 flywheel failed at 24k miles and I never did anything crazy with it, never launched. I have no doubt it's factory defect or factory misassembly. There were no previous owners, i bought it new.
You are a small percentage with issues. In general speaking nightkrawler is ture
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      07-19-2018, 01:13 PM   #12
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SOP-5/08 had the old style clutch. If the production date is near the 5/08 cutoff, there is a small chance the new components are installed.
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Not true at all for this car. Had prior 20+ years of manual gearbox driving experience and never a single problem with clutch/flywheel before. My M3 flywheel failed at 24k miles and I never did anything crazy with it, never launched. I have no doubt it's factory defect or factory misassembly. There were no previous owners, i bought it new.
You completely contradict yourself here.

First you say that it's a problem with "these" cars and then immediately say that it "was a factory defect".

Which is it?
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      07-19-2018, 03:24 PM   #14
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my 08 has 100k niles on the same original clutch. still going strong
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      07-19-2018, 03:30 PM   #15
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Mine failed at 50k miles. I was not the first owner so dont know how it was treated. I think I paid $1,700 installed at an indy shop for the whole thing including the new flywheel.
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      07-19-2018, 03:47 PM   #16
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You completely contradict yourself here.

First you say that it's a problem with "these" cars and then immediately say that it "was a factory defect".

Which is it?
I guess you don't understand the meaning of the word "prior". I never had a problem in 20 years prior to owning an m3.
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      07-19-2018, 03:52 PM   #17
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Mine failed at 50k miles. I was not the first owner so dont know how it was treated. I think I paid $1,700 installed at an indy shop for the whole thing including the new flywheel.
That's a really good deal. I guess you went with the Luk clutch kit and flywheel, not with OEM parts (with bmw stamped on the metal). The difference in price is crazy (OEM flywheel part is $1700 , OEM clutch kit is $700). Do you remember how much you paid for labor ?
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I guess you don't understand the meaning of the word "prior". I never had a problem in 20 years prior to owning an m3.
No. Your post contradicts itself.

You had a factory defect which doesn't make his post untrue (which is what you insinuated). If driven normally/not abused AND putting factory defects aside, these clutches should last a very, very long time, is the/his (valid) point. All makes and models have occasional defects.
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That's a really good deal. I guess you went with the Luk clutch kit and flywheel, not with OEM parts (with bmw stamped on the metal). The difference in price is crazy (OEM flywheel part is $1700 , OEM clutch kit is $700). Do you remember how much you paid for labor ?
The indy shop used all BMW oem parts. I dont know if something changed with the flywheel cost as I didnt pay $1700 for that. I dug out my old invoice from 2014 and here is how its broken out. My memory was off a couple hundred.

OEM Clutch:$800
OEM Flywheel:$600
Labor:$600
Total:$2k

My shop sold me the flywheel at their cost as we were not expecting to have to buy one to fix the clutch. When they found out they gave me a deal at their cost on the parts as I was doing a bunch of other work. Keep in mind from my experience, labor in Atlanta is going to be less per hour than in CA, NY, NJ.
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My 04/08 E90M3 has 92k miles on its original clutch, 60k by me. I do understand that when I change the clutch, I have to change the flywheel. If I pull the motor this winter to change the main bearings, I would probably do the clutch then as additional preventative maintenance (I changed the rod bearings in 2014 at 60k but would also change them again).
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The indy shop used all BMW oem parts. I dont know if something changed with the flywheel cost as I didnt pay $1700 for that. I dug out my old invoice from 2014 and here is how its broken out. My memory was off a couple hundred.

OEM Clutch:$800
OEM Flywheel:$600
Labor:$600
Total:$2k

My shop sold me the flywheel at their cost as we were not expecting to have to buy one to fix the clutch. When they found out they gave me a deal at their cost on the parts as I was doing a bunch of other work. Keep in mind from my experience, labor in Atlanta is going to be less per hour than in CA, NY, NJ.
Thanks a lot for the price break up. Did you actually see the parts with the letters BMW stamped on the metal ? Compare pictures of these two items :
https://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Sit...h/21212283820/

Many vendors advertise replacement parts as "original equipment components" or "stock replacement" which are not "original equipement manufactured components" and some will flat lie and say OEM.
if you compare the cheap flywheel in the link above with the expensive "genuine bmw", they look identical. Could they be made of different materials or is the difference just the bmw stamp ? I honestly do not know but I cannot believe a doubling in price is justifiable. Based on what you paid for your flywheel probably does not have the BMW stamp on it but maybe this is the right way to go.

Is it possible to source your parts online, then ask an Indy shop to place the order (or bring them yourself) and pay for labor only ?

If the shop does not have an inventory of parts in its own warehouse and is just ordering parts per need basis i don't see how they can justify an additional mark up on parts.

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Thanks a lot for the price break up. Did you actually see the parts with the letters BMW stamped on the metal ? Compare pictures of these two items :
https://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Sit...h/21212283820/

Many vendors advertise replacement parts as "original equipment components" or "stock replacement" which are not "original equipement manufactured components" and some will just flat lie and say OEM.
if you compare the cheap flywheel in the link above and the expensive one they look identical on the pictures. Could the material be different or is the difference just the bmw stamp ? I honestly do not know but I cannot believe a doubling in price is justifiable. Based on what you paid for the flywheel it probably does not have the BMW stamp on it but maybe this is the right way to go.

Is it possible to source your parts online, then ask an Indy shop to place the order (or bring them yourself) and pay the shop for labor only ?
Hey Rajmun,
Yes, Im sure the parts are OEM because I know where the Indy bought the parts, (BMW of South Atlanta). If you have not tried this site I recommend it for OEM parts.
https://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com

I got the wholesale price on the flywheel so I know it was cheap. Since it was so long ago and now 2008s are 10 years old, maybe its now less available than it was then? I do see the same thing on the above website, $1700 for the flywheel so I do understand your dilemma. It looks like most people will end up paying about 3k for a clutch job on a 2008 if they want to use OEM parts. Just another M tax.

Some Indy shops will let you bring parts and install them but wont warranty anything if you do. And when I order parts sometimes its hard to know if I am picking the right part number or forgetting some gasket or screw set so its never worked out for me to bring in any critical parts. My Indy tends to give me a fair price on parts so that helps too. I like being warrantied for a while after a critical part is installed. When it comes to the clutch, I like OEM parts so I tend to lean toward paying the tax.
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