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      09-08-2019, 12:56 AM   #199
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Getting ready to pull my pins and get an alignment soon. ZCP E90, stock suspension, 255/275 PS4S. The car is a weekend/canyon toy; no daily driving/commute but also no tracking. I'm looking for a fun and spirited yet planted and stable setup that won't prematurely wear the tires.

I'm thinking this:

-1.8* front camber (or max/equal)
1/32" front total toe-in [OR zero toe]
Max/factory caster (not sure if there's any adjustment here with factory hardware; around 6.5-7*)
-1.4* rear camber (or .3-.5* less negative camber than the front)
1/16" rear total toe-in [OR 1/32'' total toe-in]

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Took me way too long to get around to this since I rarely drive my car. But today the tires went on and it was aligned.

Front:
-1.2* (all they could get, pins pulled)
.04’ (~1/32”) total toe in
7.2* caster

Rear:
-1.7* camber
.09’ (~1/16”) total toe in

I’m happy with the toe and rear camber for now but a little disappointed in the front camber, think Dinan plates are in my future. Tires are awesome, no surprise there.
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      09-18-2019, 03:58 PM   #200
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What do the tags on your front springs say? X5, x6, x7?
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      10-11-2019, 06:52 AM   #201
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Took me way too long to get around to this since I rarely drive my car. But today the tires went on and it was aligned.

Front:
-1.2* (all they could get, pins pulled)
.04’ (~1/32”) total toe in
7.2* caster

Rear:
-1.7* camber
.09’ (~1/16”) total toe in

I’m happy with the toe and rear camber for now but a little disappointed in the front camber, think Dinan plates are in my future. Tires are awesome, no surprise there.
How much did you aim for the front Wyatth?
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      10-11-2019, 12:52 PM   #202
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Sorry, haven't checked springs yet.
I aimed for max negative front camber and was hoping to see -1.8*, realistically expecting -1.6-1.7*. But -1.2* was disappointing. Dinan camber plates in hand and going on soon, should get to -2.0* with them. Which is nice, but didn’t really want the 1/5” height increase (although maybe the fabric under trays may last longer, haha).

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      10-12-2019, 04:05 PM   #203
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Toe 1/8 in and this helped stability under braking bigtime!

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      11-03-2019, 02:15 PM   #204
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Ohlins coilover - the rest all stock. More responsive steering, fast turn-in response with 0 front toe and -1.5 camber. Feeling very good.

Camber:
-1.5 front (pins pulled)
-1.35 rear
Toe In:
0 front
3/32" rear
Caster +6.75
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      11-04-2019, 06:27 PM   #205
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Took me way too long to get around to this since I rarely drive my car. But today the tires went on and it was aligned.

Front:
-1.2* (all they could get, pins pulled)
.04’ (~1/32”) total toe in
7.2* caster

Rear:
-1.7* camber
.09’ (~1/16”) total toe in

I’m happy with the toe and rear camber for now but a little disappointed in the front camber, think Dinan plates are in my future. Tires are awesome, no surprise there.

*Added the Dinan front plates and got to -2* in the front, both sides. Feels great now, very noticeable.
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      11-10-2019, 01:46 PM   #206
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Coilovers

-3.5 f
Toe 0
Caster 7.4

-1.9 r
Toe 1/8 in and this helped stability under braking bigtime!

Feels good
Zero front toe: Not many people do this, but I too have it in my M3. Learned this (simple ) trick from my Porsche tuner. The result, very fast turn-in response, is fantastic.
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      11-18-2019, 02:37 PM   #207
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-3.7 camber
+6.5/6.7 L/R
0 toe

Rear
-2.2 camber
1/8 total toe in

Would like to change up the camber plates to get more caster in the future. Currently on GC street. MCS DA remotes.
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It seems like there is a large range of rear toe numbers here. For a dual duty car with -2.5' and zero toe up front and -1.9' camber in the rear what should I do for the toe?
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      02-27-2020, 06:49 PM   #209
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It seems like there is a large range of rear toe numbers here. For a dual duty car with -2.5' and zero toe up front and -1.9' camber in the rear what should I do for the toe?
1/8 toe in on each side.
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      03-05-2020, 01:45 PM   #210
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Here's mine:

Bilstein Damptronic Coilovers
18x10 Apex
275/35 Azenis

Front:
Aligned wheels to 0 toe.
Camber is -1.8 degrees

Rear:
2mm total toe-in
-1.9 degrees
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      06-23-2020, 01:19 AM   #211
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2011 Comp, H&R sport in the front only. SPL adjustable caster bushings.

West End Alignment in Los Angeles. The only shop I’ll let touch my cars. They get every spec exactly where you want it. It’s 40 mins away but still totally worth it.

Front

Toe -3/32
Camber L -2.1 R -2.2
Caster L 7.5 R 7.5

Rear

Toe -3/32
Camber L -1.7 R -1.7

I asked for zero toe, but the techs recommended slight toe in to
combat the negative camber for tire wear and for stability. Consensus seemed to be zero toe was best, but they explained it wasn’t. They said neg camber wears the inside edge, and toe in puts strain on the outside edge. Make sense, time will tell!
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      07-01-2020, 08:19 PM   #212
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Finally got my car aligned, and corner balanced. Glad I did, as my previous alignment was pretty awful. Let me know what you guys think of my current alignment..
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Finally got my car aligned, and corner balanced. Glad I did, as my previous alignment was pretty awful. Let me know what you guys think of my current alignment..
I think it matches on both sides.
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I think it matches on both sides.
That was the goal this time around
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      07-02-2020, 10:43 PM   #215
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61534544913__BD315A24-585B-4147-945B-034F22ABD38F

Finally got my car aligned, and corner balanced. Glad I did, as my previous alignment was pretty awful. Let me know what you guys think of my current alignment..
Why the toe out on the front? Zero toe seems to be popular for tracking but toe in for the street.
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Why the toe out on the front? Zero toe seems to be popular for tracking but toe in for the street.
I originally requested zero toe up front, the guy who owned the shop that was aligning my car recommended he add a little toe — the exact reason why I don’t exactly remember. He had a good reason though, something in regards to it evening something out, and when the car is on the road it will end up balancing out to feel like it has zero toe. Wish I remembered what he said. He builds / aligns race cars that podium in 24hr / spec races all across the country so I trusted his input.
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Isnt positive toe equals toe in? In regards of Dreamer99 post.
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No, generally toe is a negative measurement. Or, "toe in". Meaning the front of the wheel points towards the engine. Toe out is the opposite.

Generally speaking, the more toe in there is, the better the car will put down power. As power is applied, or as you exit a corner, the suspension squats and the wheel will straighten out. This is why you would want toe in. On our cars, the bushings/rear suspension doesn't dynamically change the alignment a whole lot. So this is why we see very little toe (1/16 - 3/32"). On other cars with softer bushings or that doesn't have a multi link rear such as miatas, s2000, etc (double wishbone), you will see upwards of an 1/8" of toe in. So consider us lucky.

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No, generally toe is a negative measurement. Or, "toe in". Meaning the front of the wheel points towards the engine. Toe out is the opposite.

Generally speaking, the more toe in there is, the better the car will put down power. As power is applied, or as you exit a corner, the suspension squats and the wheel will straighten out. This is why you would want toe in. On our cars, the bushings/rear suspension doesn't dynamically change the alignment a whole lot. So this is why we see very little toe (1/16 - 3/32"). On other cars with softer bushings or that doesn't have a multi link rear such as miatas, s2000, etc (double wishbone), you will see upwards of an 1/8" of toe in. So consider us lucky.
@911r , from what is posted under the current measurements, those are definitely positive toe meaning toe in, in the front. And toe out in the rear, which is very weird setup.
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@911r , from what is posted under the current measurements, those are definitely positive toe meaning toe in, in the front. And toe out in the rear, which is very weird setup.
Yeah...that's the last time I'll be taking my car to a local alignment shop. Luckily MRF did an alignment after installing my subframe bushings, end links & sway bars and the car feels a lot more neutral. Going to throw in more spherical bushings in the next few months and will have my car properly scaled & aligned at WR Teknica.
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