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      09-24-2018, 01:32 PM   #89
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I have had a few, but am declining for the near future. Here's why:

1) If it's a vaccine, why do I need to get another one every year? My immune system should already have the code to fight off all the versions I've already been exposed to with previous shots AND exposure thru the wild.

2) related: Is it not just an (educated) guess as to which flu will run rampant this year? And going back to 1), if I've already had all those variations in the past, why to I need another needle prick (I'm allergic to needles, which really sucks being in the high risk group of insulin-dependent diabetic)

3)I'm still torn by the idea that this is given via injection. How many of you contract the flu via it being injected into your arm? Shouldn't the front line of the immune system be the area we train FIRST?
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A flu vaccine is needed every season for two reasons. First, the body’s immune response from vaccination declines over time, so an annual vaccine is needed for optimal protection. Second, because flu viruses are constantly changing, the formulation of the flu vaccine is reviewed each year and updated as needed to keep up with changing flu viruses.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm

I actually posed this question to my doctor years ago and she said that the Flu virus (as are most viruses) constantly mutate and evolve. Sucks for us.
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Not a physician but #1, good question! As for #2, while I do get a flu shot every year (partly because my son is a type 1 like UncleWede), I wait until later in the season as they have a better feel for what strain is running rampant and get the adjusted vaccine. #3 There is a nasal mist though I seem to recall hearing it's not as effective in terms of immune system response and therefore effectiveness in preventing flu.

Back to #2, the flu virus is always mutating so the new strain in any given year may be different enough so that the antibodies you have from earlier shots/infections may not protect you.

At the end of the day it's kind of like buying extended warranty on your car. Given that there is no cost for this warranty, I take it.

Edit: And I see Marcus beat to some of my points!
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At the end of the day it's kind of like buying extended warranty on your car. Given that there is no cost for this warranty, I take it.
No cost? You mean the drug manufacturer's do this for free?
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No cost? You mean the drug manufacturer's do this for free?
No it means if you have health insurance, you are paying for it in your premiums whether you get it or not. There is no additional cost to get it if you have health insurance. Some employers also offer it for free at the office and Iím certain there are programs for the poor to get them for free even without health insurance.
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No cost? You mean the drug manufacturer's do this for free?
There is essentially no cost for the person receiving the vaccine. Nearly all health insurance plans, mine included, cover 100% of the flu shot without any co-pay or deductible. There are also plenty of locations that offer the shot for free to those who wish to have one, including many employers. For those on government assistance, the shot is provided at no cost within most hospitals, public health offices, and drug stores.
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Non vaxers are protected due to herd immunity. Non vaxers should thank us for being vaccinated.
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No cost? You mean the drug manufacturer's do this for free?
This was a rhetorical question. The point I was trying to make is that it isn't free - somebody pays, either through direct costs, increased taxes, increased health insurance costs, or reduced company profits.
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This was a rhetorical question. The point I was trying to make is that it isn't free - somebody pays, either through direct costs, increased taxes, increased health insurance costs, or reduced company profits.
It is a hell of a lot cheaper to prevent than treat in almost all cases. Health insurance companies push the vaccine for this reason as it is better for their bottom line.

It is a way I'd really like to see the US health care change in many other areas, but that would mean the US culture would have to change, which isn't happening anytime soon. We love our shitty for us/over portioned food that leads to many health issues that are fairly easy to prevent.
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It is a hell of a lot cheaper to prevent than treat in almost all cases. Health insurance companies push the vaccine for this reason as it is better for their bottom line.
This, right here. Getting people vaccinated against the flu results in significantly less ER visits (because, let's face it, many people in the US use the ER as their primary care physician, for various, usually bad, but valid for them, reasons). Less ER visits means less expensive claims the health insurance companies have to pay out, all for the low cost of the flu vaccine.
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This, right here. Getting people vaccinated against the flu results in significantly less ER visits (because, let's face it, many people in the US use the ER as their primary care physician, for various, usually bad, but valid for them, reasons). Less ER visits means less expensive claims the health insurance companies have to pay out, all for the low cost of the flu vaccine.
Not to mention if they have to be admitted into the hospital..........
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Agreed. Most people don't realize it, but the common, average, everyday flu is a killer. Literally, people die from it, on a semi-regular basis.

But hey, I don't think it's necessary to get the flu vaccine, because I know better than those crazy scientists and doctors! Jenny McCarthy told me it might give me the aids, or maybe autism!
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Agreed. Most people don't realize it, but the common, average, everyday flu is a killer. Literally, people die from it, on a semi-regular basis.

But hey, I don't think it's necessary to get the flu vaccine, because I know better than those crazy scientists and doctors! Jenny McCarthy told me it might give me the aids, or maybe autism!
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      09-25-2018, 03:31 PM   #101
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Yes, we used to think that the flu was caused by an evil dwarf or spirit living inside your stomach, but now we know it is an imbalance of your bodily humors - time for more leeches.
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      09-27-2018, 11:13 AM   #102
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Perfect timing for this thread (is the CDC lurking on Bimmerpost?) - 80 thousand deaths in US last year from flu.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...er-u-s-n913486
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Causes autism. No thanks.
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Perfect timing for this thread (is the CDC lurking on Bimmerpost?) - 80 thousand deaths in US last year from flu.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...er-u-s-n913486
Those are estimated numbers. The article also stated "the flu vaccine didn't work very well."
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yes to the shot

The shot is immunization against likely strains for the season. Sort of like insurance. Mine was free with our health plan at work (they even came to our facility- cost me all of five minutes). At 54, my immune system is not as strong as it was, and it lessens the chance of getting my peers and subordinates sick- less time missed.

Plus more time to enjoy the new (used) X5. :-)
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Those are estimated numbers. The article also stated "the flu vaccine didn't work very well."
Why did you leave out the following two sentences from the quote youíre referring to?

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Experts nevertheless say vaccination is still worth it, because it makes illnesses less severe and saves lives.
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      09-30-2018, 12:16 PM   #108
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Causes autism. No thanks.
Says Jenny McCarthy?
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Why did you leave out the following two sentences from the quote youíre referring to?
Because those aren't facts; those are opinions.
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Why did you leave out the following two sentences from the quote you’re referring to?
Because those aren't facts; those are opinions.
Only the first part of the sentence is an opinion. It is based on the facts in the second part.
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