M3 vs B8 S4 TFSI V6 3.0

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by davcrz5

Exactly my feeling do your reseearch before throwing out bold claims from what I've seen so far it's a high 12 low 13 sec car which is still quick imo and great car



I'm just presenting facts not opinions from Dragtimes real world numbers fastest stock IS-F 12.379 fastest S4 12.698 and that was the only S4 that ran mid 12's that I could find.

At VIR IS-F on factory tires and M3 6mt with sport cup tires both ran 3:05.4 the B8 S4 ran 3:10.80 and RS4 ran 3:11.20 difference in time 0:05.76 sec I know your not comparing track times but this also help to illustrates huge differences in these vehicles.



I went to Dragtimes.com found only one S4 that ran in mid 12 sec range just one, must have been good driver and great conditions. Sure there may be more out there thay might be capable of hitting mid 12's but I would like to see at least a handful hit mid 12 mark with proof then everyone would have to acknowledge the fact that S4 can hit mid 12's consistently but until then people will doubt these claims with out hard proof not bashing its nice quick car just not as fast as M3 C63 or IS-F




When I went to dragtimes.com and compared stock 1/4 mile times of M3, IS-F and S4 these were results

Stock 1/4 Mile times M3,IS-F and S4

ET1/4 M 1/4MPH ET1/8 1/8MPH 60 FT Temp Stock Car Year Driver
12.379* 114.730 8.028 89.790 1.856 43.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2009
12.385* 115.010 8.077 91.010 1.945 41.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008
12.441* 116.420 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.466 113.790 8.104 89.040 1.911 46.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008
12.506* 115.290 8.171 89.510 1.964 55.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.510* 114.810 Yes BMW M3 Coupe 2009
12.540* 117.200 8.196 90.240 2.015 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Stev
12.565* 111.980 8.172 90.610 1.953 61.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.582 111.820 8.148 87.540 1.912 59.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2009 12.610* 113.110 Yes BMW M3 Sedan 2008
12.610* 113.020 Yes BMW M3 Coupe 2009
12.630* 112.640 8.231 88.210 2.005 55.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 12.670* 112.060 8.270 88.780 2.033 78.8 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole
12.698 108.490 8.164 87.010 1.840 Yes Audi S4 B8 2010 Rob

Stop getting worked up. I'm not saying its faster than your car just saying they're not that slow. I said high to mid 12s and here a few more in the 12 range http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ag-Strip-Times

[Alex07M3]

if someone don't beleive a B8 S4 can do 1.7 on the 60ft , well all I can say is that the much slower and heavier B6 S4 could !

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?resultpage=7&carmodel=46&data1=100&op1 =>=&data2=1000&op2=<=&search2=et&days=10000000&sto ck=&dyno=&resultsperpage=10&carmake=4

[davcrz5]

[QUOTE=ZCD1;11405579]Right, cause we all know that everybody on dragtimes.com tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help them (fill in the deity of your choice) <facepalm>

FYI, if you didn't know in order to post your time on dragtimes.com you must preset your time slips this how they keep info as accurate as possible just go dragtimes look up any vehicle click on the time and another page will open up with pic of actual time slips and additional info as well.

Anyway, what do ISF 1/4 mile times have to do with the OP's question?

If you look I was responding to AudiS5 and his comments regarding 1/4 mile times and speed of S4 how it can stay with IS-F to 150mph etc, so I used source that Alex07M3 used on this thread to show 12.6 1/4 mile run that S4 made. He made claim that S4 is hitting 12.5 mark and lower and that would match M3 and IS-F stock 1/4mile times, so I went to same information source and could not find the data to supports those claims.

[davcrz5]

I guess the best way to see what they can do is to hit track with all three of these bad boys now that would be fun

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by davcrz5

FYI, if you didn't know in order to post your time on dragtimes.com you must preset your time slips this how they keep info as accurate as possible just go dragtimes look up any vehicle click on the time and another page will open up with pic of actual time slips and additional info as well.....

...He made claim that S4 is hitting 12.5 mark and lower and that would match M3 and IS-F stock 1/4mile times, so I went to same information source and could not find the data to supports those claims.

Yes, I know how dragtimes works. My slip is up there too.

Regardless, who's to say whether what's represented there as a "stock" car really is stock?? That's what I meant by <facepalm>

The 12.698 is indeed the fastest stock B8 S4 time I've seen, and was from a 6 speed manual transmission car.

The best tuned B8 S4 run I've seen was 11.793 @ 116 mph. (this car is a DSG - like BMW's M-DCT)

[davcrz5]

Yes, I do agree tuned B8 S4 are indeed fast cars last summer at English town saw one running consistent 11'9s with his best being 11.891 remember that number use to have tags with similar number

[Alex07M3]

[QUOTE=davcrz5;11405983]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Right, cause we all know that everybody on dragtimes.com tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help them (fill in the deity of your choice) <facepalm>

FYI, if you didn't know in order to post your time on dragtimes.com you must preset your time slips this how they keep info as accurate as possible just go dragtimes look up any vehicle click on the time and another page will open up with pic of actual time slips and additional info as well.

Anyway, what do ISF 1/4 mile times have to do with the OP's question?

If you look I was responding to AudiS5 and his comments regarding 1/4 mile times and speed of S4 how it can stay with IS-F to 150mph etc, so I used source that Alex07M3 used on this thread to show 12.6 1/4 mile run that S4 made. He made claim that S4 is hitting 12.5 mark and lower and that would match M3 and IS-F stock 1/4mile times, so I went to same information source and could not find the data to supports those claims.

Just so there's no confusion , I said that I've seen a article claiming a 12.5 at 108mph run for the S4 , not lower ! And for me 12.6 with 1.84 is a good proof that it can actually do 12.5 since all the AWD cars(including my STI , my TT225 and my A4 1.8t) that I've seen at the track that were driven by good drivers did at least 1.7 on the 60ft if not 1.6 in some case !

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Just so there's no confusion , I said that I've seen a article claiming a 12.5 at 108mph run for the S4 , not lower ! And for me 12.6 with 1.84 is a good proof that it can actually do 12.5 since all the AWD cars(including my STI , my TT225 and my A4 1.8t) that I've seen at the track that were driven by good drivers did at least 1.7 on the 60ft if not 1.6 in some case !

I yield to your clearly superior knowledge about the car I drive every day.

/sarcasm

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

I yield to your clearly superior knowledge about the car I drive every day.

/sarcasm

No insult but just because you drive it does'nt mean you drive to it's maximum capacity , an AWD car is really hard to launch perfectly , most people don't launch hard enough , I've seen a couple of +500hp b5 S4 doing same time on the 1/4 mile as my 350hp A4 1.8t just because of their bad launch ! In québec AWD cars are really popular , me and my friends had awd cars and been doing a lot of 1/4 miles for the last 10 years and I have yet to see a AWD car that can not do 1.7 on the 60ft when driven by someone with experience, if it makes you feel better to think that it's your car that is not able to achieve such normal 60ft time , it's you , but personnaly , if I were you , I would just go to the track and try again with more throttle ! If a B5 S4 ,a B6 S4, a B7 S4 , a A6 2.7t, a B5 A4 ,a S5 ,a STI , a EVO X ,an Eclipse ,a 335xi , a Dodge Sthealt , ect.. can do it , your car also can !!!!

In fact , from what I've seen on dragtimes and in front of my eyes at the track , if you were right , the B8 S4 would be the first AWD car that could not achieve a 1.7 60ft , is it possible , NO !

Take my example, I do 13.1 with my M3 , I did the best I could , does that mean no one can do better , absolutle NOOOOOOOOT !

[JonnyM3]

[QUOTE=davcrz5;11405983]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Right, cause we all know that everybody on dragtimes.com tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help them (fill in the deity of your choice) <facepalm>

FYI, if you didn't know in order to post your time on dragtimes.com you must preset your time slips this how they keep info as accurate as possible just go dragtimes look up any vehicle click on the time and another page will open up with pic of actual time slips and additional info as well.

Anyway, what do ISF 1/4 mile times have to do with the OP's question?

If you look I was responding to AudiS5 and his comments regarding 1/4 mile times and speed of S4 how it can stay with IS-F to 150mph etc, so I used source that Alex07M3 used on this thread to show 12.6 1/4 mile run that S4 made. He made claim that S4 is hitting 12.5 mark and lower and that would match M3 and IS-F stock 1/4mile times, so I went to same information source and could not find the data to supports those claims.

Please quote where I said 150 etc....thanks.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

Please quote where I said 150 etc....thanks.

Just to be clear, I didn't write anything about "150 etc"...

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

No insult ....

Not insulted - just flabbergasted at your d'baggery.

Get back to us when you, with your mad, all-conquering drag-launch skillz, have actually posted a 1.7 foot 60 foot time in a stock B8 S4. Until then, STFU.

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Just to be clear, I didn't write anything about "150 etc"...

Strange, I quoted Davs post from above yet it quoted you. Perhaps cause he quoted you Incorrectly? Sorry for the confusion.

[Erhan]

So, which one is faster?

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Not insulted - just flabbergasted at your d'baggery.

Get back to us when you, with your mad, all-conquering drag-launch skillz, have actually posted a 1.7 foot 60 foot time in a stock B8 S4. Until then, STFU.

I'm maybe not as good as you say but I can tell you something , I have at least 300 1/4 mile run AWD and with each and every set-up i've had in my cars , i've always made better 1/4 mile times then what I could find on the internet ! (exept for my M3 ) Maybe I haven't drove the new S4 (I've raced it twice) but I can say that I'm pretty good a analizing 1/4 mile data for AWD cars ! And even if I don't know you , I think it's safe to say that you don't really know what your talking about and that you probably passed a lot more time on the net then at the track !! Now I'm finish and I'm pretty sure time will show my point !

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Erhan

So, which one is faster?

M3

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Erhan

So, which one is faster?

ISF

LOL!

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

...I don't know you...

Truth.

Originally Posted by Chachi112

well what we proved here today is your (sic) 12 ...

Also apparently Truth.

KTHXBYE

[ZCD1]

[QUOTE=Alex07M3;11385699]here's a time slip of my 2 friends against each other , both JDM STI engine in 2002 WRX , both exhaust , downpipe and tuned (350hp) !

one did 1.6 , the other did 1.7 , it is good but not unlikely at all !



I think it's amazing how your friends with their 2002 model WRXs were able to go so fast (apparently faster than the speed of light, Einstein notwithstanding) that they time-traveled all the way back to 1998 to create their time slip.

[Alex07M3]

[QUOTE=ZCD1;11408122]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

here's a time slip of my 2 friends against each other , both JDM STI engine in 2002 WRX , both exhaust , downpipe and tuned (350hp) !

one did 1.6 , the other did 1.7 , it is good but not unlikely at all !



I think it's amazing how your friends with their 2002 model WRXs were able to go so fast (apparently faster than the speed of light, Einstein notwithstanding) that they time-traveled all the way back to 1998 to create their time slip.

lol , I can't explain the 98 ,my guess is that they just don't care about the date on their sheets , we only starded to go to the track in 2000 when we were 16-17 years old , but I can assure you that this is my friends slip with their WRX(swap STI) , my friend has like 200 slip of all his runs since we were young and probably has 30 slips of them against each other !

Anyway you saw the slip of my A4 with skinny tires doing 1.7 and also I've look on Audizinne and theres plenty of S4 rolling in the 12 and 13 who does 1.7 , even 1.6 ! I really don't see why the B8 could'nt , exept for bad driver !

I mean , my 98mph TT was doing 1.7 , what else do you need !!?

[davcrz5]

Originally Posted by AudiS5

Wasn't saying anything bout track really. Straight line speed is there and fact of the matter is the S4 is closer to the isf to 150 then the isf is to the m3. And if you think its lazy go check out the 2013 model fanboi.

[QUOTE=AudiS5;11406877]

Originally Posted by davcrz5

Please quote where I said 150 etc....thanks.

Maybe I miss read your comment and if so I apologize so enlighten me regarding this statement and how can you prove it? what are you basing this statement on what hard facts do you have to support your comment just trying to get clarification on it thanks

"Straight line speed is there and fact of the matter is the S4 is closer to the isf to 150 then the isf is to the m3"

[Alex07M3]

[QUOTE=ZCD1;11408122]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

here's a time slip of my 2 friends against each other , both JDM STI engine in 2002 WRX , both exhaust , downpipe and tuned (350hp) !

one did 1.6 , the other did 1.7 , it is good but not unlikely at all !



I think it's amazing how your friends with their 2002 model WRXs were able to go so fast (apparently faster than the speed of light, Einstein notwithstanding) that they time-traveled all the way back to 1998 to create their time slip.

here are my beast that achieved 1.7 60ft !