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02-14-2024, 05:50 AM | #23 | |
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False, EV's do go the shop less often than ICE, BUT their per visit cost is way higher than ICE and the repair network is horrible compared to ICE. Hertz found this out the hard way.
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Unlike when the oil craze started we didn't even bother to put in regulations when we should have why? Because we didn't know better but now we do and we still don't place the amount of restriction on it as we should do compared to the scrutiny the EV market is facing, and don't get me wrong i am all for scrutiny on a industry whether it be the automotive or something else. That is a good thing. But the problem today is that the oil industries is so gigantic that its become an own living breathing thing lobbying out as much as possible of the regulations hitting them. While during its whole lifetime preventing new industries competing with them due to becoming to big so it can outmanoeuvre all new industrious whether it be by buying them or some other way that money can stop competition against them. You have to take in to account the whole big picture of both EVs and ICE. There is this argument coming up constantly "Oh well the ores for batteries is rare and its exploiting people" and i agree its wrong and should be dealt with as a consumer making our choices is what is going to drive the market in right direction, but don't for a second believe that ICE cars are innocent in this matter they contain other minerals that are rare as well just go look up what type of minerals are used in a catalytic converter on a car. Heck look up if we even can supply all the worlds cars with catalytic converters. Heck in my country of BiH where i was born they remove both catalytic converters and particle filters due to their petrol/diesel being so dirty that it clogs new cars. So yeah there is that aspect also on the ICE side. But am i mad at this ? No i am not i completely understand not all country's can afford better compared to what we have in the West world. Thats no mere easy ores needed to get, for a thing that doesn't work the first 10-15 minutes of the car starting if its even colder it takes even longer and during that whole time the ICE care is realising all those emissions right out in the environment unfiltered until it reaches its optimal working temperature only to be turned of when arriving at work because well work was only 10-15 min away with the car, obviously not all faces same short driving times with their cars. This is the problem with the whole debate EV vs ICE its so one sided that people have forgotten how bad our cars used to be compared to today, and how much materials are needed today to make an ICE car "Greener" compared to back in the 60-70s before regulations started taking place.
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02-14-2024, 10:40 AM | #26 | |
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Another issue they had is Tesla kept dropping the price of their cars aggressively which forced Hertz to mark down the value of its cars on its books based on GAAP rules. Forcing them to have heavier than anticipated losses. Established brands who have along automotive experience like BMW wouldn’t cause them the same problems with their EVs. BMW EVs aren’t as headline grabbing as Tesla though… |
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02-14-2024, 10:54 AM | #27 |
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No one factors in all the military subsidized costs the US incurs in ensuring the safe passage of oil bearing ships.
EV's will never compare to the environmental damage that Exxon Valdez, the uncontrolled oil spill in the the gulf and the literally thousands of other environmental tragedies that has come with our pursuit of oil. Nor the slaughter and wars in central America to build oil pipelines. Automotive dealerships are having committees and councils in attempting to plan for the future were revenues evaporates in light of the reduced visits to the service department. The whole blocking of chargers is just so laughable. Like WHY..?? No one is forcing you to ever buy an electric truck blocking does nothing other than inconvenient a stranger. It's like blocking a fuel pump with a horse. |
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Let's play Devil's advocate. How do we know it's an i7 and not a regular 7 series ICE? If it is an i7, how did the fire get here, aren't the batteries under the driver and passengers? |
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Lol... Good catch. It appears that whole YouTube channel is a dumpster fire
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What a ridiculous thread!
From what I can see this vehicle doesn't have the i-badge on the grill nor the blue ring around the BMW logo so it's NOT the i7 but rather a 740i or 760i ICE car. And it's CLEARLY not anywhere near the battery department, even if it was an EV. There is something burning besides the car, probably rests of the material used for the arson attack. The EV hate is so boring. Last edited by Berliner; 02-17-2024 at 03:53 AM.. |
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The point is the issues you pointed out about Hertz aren’t broadly applicable to EVs in general. They are teething issues of them dealing with an upstart automaker versus an established one. Tesla is able to get away with a less defined dealership network not because buyers don’t care about service quality if they drive an EV. It is due to EVs needing a lot less service so they can make do with less. On an ICE car you’re servicing them as frequently as every 3 months or 3K miles depending on brand. An EV can easily go 100K miles or more before it needs anything more than tire rotations and brake fluid. But I get you. Some buyers will really miss their frequent visits to their dealership service department. They used to view the as stealerships and hated them, but now they can’t wait to visit them again. |
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02-14-2024, 03:29 PM | #33 | |
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If you’re trying to say false to BMW EV maintenance requirements. Here it is from BMW. That’s pretty much no maintenance… But maybe your EV hate is mostly due to being a service advisor and you’re worried you’ll be lonely? Via: https://www.bmwofschererville.com/se...v-maintenance/ |
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Nope, the only thing I hate is the Green Insanity. When has any car you owned followed the manufacture maintenance schedule. Anyways, since I am new here and value the tech side of this place far more than EV fanboys, good luck and carry on. In the good old days of forums would have enjoyed a good old fashioned smackdown. Alas, too easy to get bobbed by the ban hammer now. Last edited by Weather Man; 02-14-2024 at 04:00 PM.. |
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“…While the vast majority of the global iPhone 15 stock will still come from China…” https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/2...y-launch-china Just one of many articles a quick Google search yields. Not to mention all of the U.S. land China is buying up. https://americanmind.org/memo/this-l...beijings-land/ I have a friend who is an automotive electrical engineer and he was working for a company that was working with a Chinese company on battery technology. They finally ended the contract because of the blatant ways the Chinese were working to steal their proprietary technology. He was in China for this project and he left with a very low opinion of the Chinese.
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“…While the vast majority of the global iPhone 15 stock will still come from China…” https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23869727/apple-iphone-15-india-production-supply-launch-china" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="https://www.theverge...unch-china</a> Just one of many articles a quick Google search yields. Not to mention all of the U.S. land China is buying up. https://americanmind.org/memo/this-land-is-beijings-land/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="https://americanmind...ings-land/</a> I have a friend who is an automotive electrical engineer and he was working for a company that was working with a Chinese company on battery technology. They finally ended the contract because of the blatant ways the Chinese were working to steal their proprietary technology. He was in China for this project and he left with a very low opinion of the Chinese. |
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There's lots of smoke and mirrors around BEV's (and other things), and either you can see through that and you're on one side, or you can't and you're on the other. Most people have very little mental agility no matter how book smart they may be, so not much point in arguing.
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They work for some people (probably more people than people realize), but they don't work for everyone. Price is a thing, new and used. Long term cost of fuel vs electrons is a thing. What one has access to for charging. How often you actually tow or take a road trip. Your weather. The ability to get an EV repaired if you have an issue. Reliability of a product that's both new and established at the same time. It's a complicated subject, there's no right or wrong. Some people should own them, some should not. Government can push a little but most would agree push less than they are right now. Anyone with a firm side that can only see the good or the bad is certainly fooling themselves. |
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What is the right amount of Government push? A billion? A trillion? How about the CAFE standards adding thousands of dollar to the price of a non EV's? (Carbon Credits) |
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A nudge in a particular direction, very slightly tilting the playing field might be OK. If (and only if) a vast majority of evidence and analysis says that it's the right way to go. But not too quickly, or we see the issues that come up. All issues are solvable eventually, and even if nothing changes we'll get through it and emerge on the other side. But with 100's of millions of people, perhaps billions when including other countries, with varying needs for cars and uses, varying abilities to buy cars, and so on I would agree we're going too quickly. The issues are coming up a little faster than it seems fair for people to deal with. What the right speed is though, I don't know. |
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One major battery break through will cause a lot of people and companies to lose a lot of money. Current EV's are likely to be the buggy whips of the 2020's.
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