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      05-20-2019, 10:31 PM   #1
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I searched and only found a couple of threads on this topic and they weren't all that helpful to me. Soooo.... Let me start by saying that I will keep my M3 forever I hope... but I've always wanted a GT-R as well. The thing that stopped me from actually getting one was my old school desire for only 3 pedal cars and the physical size of the thing. I've never owned a non 3 pedal sports car but for some reason I think I'm finally over those hangups and have started looking at 2017-2018 GT-R's. Yes, I know this is not the normal progression and I should be looking at a P-Car but unless I could have a at least a 997.2 or 991 GTS, GT3. or Turbo I don't think I want one. Plus, as you guys know, they are a lot more expensive and in my area I see lots of them around. I almost never see GT-R's but I don't care as much about that. I just want one. Yes I know the interior is not up to par with our beloved M3's, and to some people it's not a pretty car (ugly to many) but I have learned to love the way it looks, which IMO is badass. There is something that draws me more toward a GT-R than a P-car and I can't shake it.

So other than seeking opinions from any of you that have any real seat time in a GT-R.....does anyone know if there is a way to tell if a GT-R has been continuously launched? I don't mind if it's been launched a few times after it's been properly broken in and warmed up but if I find a 7,000 mile car that has been launched 50+ times in that short life then I'll pass. Just not sure how I would ever know this info. I'm guessing the Nissan dealership can't read the fobs to pull data? Are there other ways to find out how the car was treated?

BTW...this will be for a weekend/fun car and let me reiterate...I will not be selling my M3.
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      05-21-2019, 10:18 AM   #2
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I shopped the GTR and M3 back in 2013 before I bought my M3. And in my research of the car the 2009s had transmission problems specifically from people launching them. Supposedly that issue was fix after the 2009 or 10 model but Nissan was denying warranties on the blown transmissions after finding out they were launched or thatís what I read anyway. So assuming thatís true Nissan must be able to read the key or the car and find out
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      05-21-2019, 11:14 AM   #3
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On the same boat, although not looking to make the move for a few more years. I've done a little research and >'12 seems to be the way to go in terms of performance and issues being sorted. From what I've read, the last few years are a little more compliant ride wise... curious to read what comes outta this.

I'm also weighing a gen 6 zl1 1le against the GTR.
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I've had 3 GTRs. Tracked them all. They are wonderful robust cars. The later model years had better transmissions. If you track it, the understeer will drive you nuts. They're heavy cars. You would need to go to a really stiff rest bar and it'll wind up chewing up tires. I traded mine for a gt3 with PDK. I get my stick shift jollies from my m3 and viper acr. Drive one. The cars have lots of character. A tech would be able to tell you how often it's been launched. If you don't like driving auto, shift it manually in R Mode. That way you can hold a gear and have a bit less intervention.
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I would think that a PPI at a dealer can check the number of times launch control was used. You need to work that into any negotiation -- they must allow a PPI at a dealer or you'll walk away from the sale.

As far as track usage, their weight causes two problems: overwhelming the brakes and overwhelming the front tires. I've seen lots of stock-ish GT-Rs roll up to HPDEs and end up in the gravel halfway through the first session because they boil the brake fluid. The weight also contributes to heavy understeer which chews up front tires in a single day. I think the understeer could be managed through better driver technique -- rather than just standing on the gas and letting the car try to correct your mistakes, focus more on minimizing understeer-inducing situations. I've never driven one on track, but these are the two complaints I hear most from owners at HPDEs.

It sounds like the aftermarket has largely stepped up to resolve these problems. If you're just driving it on the street, these issues probably won't matter.

I don't think you have to step up to a Porsche as "the next step" but I suppose it depends on what your priorities are. If you want a GT-R because you think it's cool, then do it. You haven't said that you're chasing lap times in time attack or whatever, so who cares if a GT-R isn't a perfect track car from the factory? For most of us, these purchases are highly subjective. We buy what is fun and gives us a good feeling. We aren't buying solely because of a lap time or acceleration number.
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Thanks for the comments guys. Good stuff. I'm definitely not chasing lap times. This car will be mostly for street with occasional HPDE's. There are currently no GT-R's for sale near me so I will try to get to Charlotte or Jacksonville soon and drive one and see if I really connect with the car. A friend of mine who is also my mechanic and an instructor said in his opinion the GT-R is fast as hell but has no soul. He strongly encouraged me to get some seat time in the GT-R but before I make any decisions and that I should look at and test drive a 991.1 GT3 or GTS. That's a pretty big bump in price but I'll take his advice.
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I have a 2010 GTR and if you do end up getting one you won't regret it. Any specialist will be able to check the launch codes and just as importantly things like max trans oil temp which give an indication how hard the car has been used, hard track use will see 140+deg.
Great cars though, M3 possibly more rewarding to drive fast.
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Thanks for the comments guys. Good stuff. I'm definitely not chasing lap times. This car will be mostly for street with occasional HPDE's. There are currently no GT-R's for sale near me so I will try to get to Charlotte or Jacksonville soon and drive one and see if I really connect with the car. A friend of mine who is also my mechanic and an instructor said in his opinion the GT-R is fast as hell but has no soul. He strongly encouraged me to get some seat time in the GT-R but before I make any decisions and that I should look at and test drive a 991.1 GT3 or GTS. That's a pretty big bump in price but I'll take his advice.

I suspect the comment about "no soul" is because it's a twin-turbo V6, AWD, and because of the insane number of electronics that make it feel like real-life Gran Turismo.

Only way to know for sure is drive one for yourself and see how it makes you feel. Don't be suckered in by the crazy acceleration, there's much more to a car than 0-60 times.
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Thanks for the info. I have been looking at r35s for a long time. Just need to get a few other things in order before buying one. Not too sure if I like the newer facelift though.
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Thanks for the info. I have been looking at r35s for a long time. Just need to get a few other things in order before buying one. Not too sure if I like the newer facelift though.
The interior refresh alone makes a newer one worth it, IMO. It looks and feels much more premium.
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He strongly encouraged me to get some seat time in the GT-R but before I make any decisions and that I should look at and test drive a 991.1 GT3 or GTS. That's a pretty big bump in price but I'll take his advice.
That's some really good advice. I was lucky enough to have some seat time in a GT-R and I went on to buy a 991.1 Turbo S instead. I'm really glad I had the opportunity to drive the GT-R.
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