Hans Device ?

aus · 02-19-2021, 01:37 AM

So for HPDE, a Quickfit Pro and Hans will work with the airbags?
I know the Quickfit Pro is made to "break away" and work with airbags and prevent submaringing but does the HANS actually work with the airbags and break away straps?
I've always wondered if I should get one.

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dparm · 02-19-2021, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by aus

So for HPDE, a Quickfit Pro and Hans will work with the airbags?
I know the Quickfit Pro is made to "break away" and work with airbags and prevent submaringing but does the HANS actually work with the airbags and break away straps?
I've always wondered if I should get one.

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I would suggest you call Schroth (or HMS Motorsport, their US importer) and ask that question directly.

I see no reason a HANS wouldn't work with airbags. HANS is designed to control a very specific type of neck movement. But I am not an expert so I suggest you talk to the experts. There has been some ambiguity of how a helmet would even work with an airbag.

atopa2002 · 02-19-2021, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

So for HPDE, a Quickfit Pro and Hans will work with the airbags?
I know the Quickfit Pro is made to "break away" and work with airbags and prevent submaringing but does the HANS actually work with the airbags and break away straps?
I've always wondered if I should get one.

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derbo · 02-19-2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

So for HPDE, a Quickfit Pro and Hans will work with the airbags?
I know the Quickfit Pro is made to "break away" and work with airbags and prevent submaringing but does the HANS actually work with the airbags and break away straps?
I've always wondered if I should get one.

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The ASM inner strap "break away" to allow the shoulder to pivot slightly to prevent submarining. The harnesses remain tight enough on your shoulders to function as intended for head restraint protection.

We are lucky enough to have a specific solution for our cars like QuickFitPro to allow us to use head restraints as many cars do not have this option, its usually stock safety system or going full on, race seats + harness + bars + head restraints.

Scrippy · 02-19-2021, 09:46 PM

I'm not there yet on the track but I have been wondering how these feel and if they annoy the crap out of you like most PPE. One side of me hopes I get more involved with racing and start using these and the other side is dreading it. I'm sure if and when I do I'll re read all of this again. I understand the importance when you start pushing harder and faster but it does seem cumbersome. Injury is way more serious a thing to consider though. Great post OP!

DRLane · 02-19-2021, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrippy

I'm not there yet on the track but I have been wondering how these feel and if they annoy the crap out of you like most PPE. One side of me hopes I get more involved with racing and start using these and the other side is dreading it. I'm sure if and when I do I'll re read all of this again. I understand the importance when you start pushing harder and faster but it does seem cumbersome. Injury is way more serious a thing to consider though. Great post OP!

Racing seats and harnesses are awesome on the track. Zero downside, and so much to gain with car control, awareness, and obviously safety.

HANS device take a minute to get acclimated, but maybe one or two sessions. Namely just upon track entrance.

OG Shark · 02-20-2021, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrippy

I'm not there yet on the track but I have been wondering how these feel and if they annoy the crap out of you like most PPE. One side of me hopes I get more involved with racing and start using these and the other side is dreading it. I'm sure if and when I do I'll re read all of this again. I understand the importance when you start pushing harder and faster but it does seem cumbersome. Injury is way more serious a thing to consider though. Great post OP!

Really there is nothing to dread about it. Make sure the neck restraint fits you correctly and it disappears soon after you start using it. I have three vertebrae in my neck fused together with daily residual pain leftover from the injury (much, much better than pre op though) - but as a result I am very sensitive to anything around my neck. I have used next gen, hans, and stand21 and all have been comfortable to the point that you quickly forget that they are there. I keep the next gen on my spare helmet - I feel like it fits a bigger range of people so more people can use that helmet. Got a Hans next but felt the tether length was too long for me & would not function as intended. Got a Stand21 and that's my go to now. Find what works for you & it quickly becomes an afterthought.

As far as the other PPE - it all can be comfortably done but just might take a bit of time getting the setup right for you. All the personal gear can feel like a bit much but you do get used to it. Certainly can get a bit warm with a suit and nomex underwear but once you start moving its really not that bad. Can also get one of the suit cooler systems, helmet blower, etc if needed. Find the right seat that fits you, work on the best seating position, etc - spend some time on it and you can really dial in what works best for you. There are obviously more parts to the safety system then this - but if you can really test the fit of anything you can before committing to it. Will really go a long ways towards getting rid of that cumbersome feel.

dparm · 02-20-2021, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrippy

I'm not there yet on the track but I have been wondering how these feel and if they annoy the crap out of you like most PPE. One side of me hopes I get more involved with racing and start using these and the other side is dreading it. I'm sure if and when I do I'll re read all of this again. I understand the importance when you start pushing harder and faster but it does seem cumbersome. Injury is way more serious a thing to consider though. Great post OP!

You'll get used to it. Plus, once you're on track and driving, the adrenaline keeps you focused on other things. A HANS might make your shoulders a little sore depending on how bony you are, but after a few days using it you don't really notice anymore.

SYT_Shadow · 02-20-2021, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrippy

I'm not there yet on the track but I have been wondering how these feel and if they annoy the crap out of you like most PPE. One side of me hopes I get more involved with racing and start using these and the other side is dreading it. I'm sure if and when I do I'll re read all of this again. I understand the importance when you start pushing harder and faster but it does seem cumbersome. Injury is way more serious a thing to consider though. Great post OP!

They aren't annoying. I even take my head restraint device karting, every time.

aus · 02-20-2021, 02:22 PM

Anyone try the Simpson system vs HANS?
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SYT_Shadow · 02-20-2021, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

Anyone try the Simpson system vs HANS?
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My brother and I have moved from Hans to the Simpson Hybrid due to the latter's 3 point belt compatibility. As instructors we spend lots of time in cars with just 3 points.

If I were not an instructor I would still be using a Hans

Scrippy · 02-20-2021, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

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Originally Posted by Scrippy

I'm not there yet on the track but I have been wondering how these feel and if they annoy the crap out of you like most PPE. One side of me hopes I get more involved with racing and start using these and the other side is dreading it. I'm sure if and when I do I'll re read all of this again. I understand the importance when you start pushing harder and faster but it does seem cumbersome. Injury is way more serious a thing to consider though. Great post OP!

They aren't annoying. I even take my head restraint device karting, every time.

K1 or MB2 or shifter carts?

Bartledoo · 02-20-2021, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

My brother and I have moved from Hans to the Simpson Hybrid due to the latter's 3 point belt compatibility. As instructors we spend lots of time in cars with just 3 points.

If I were not an instructor I would still be using a Hans

Yea, I need to do this. In addition to the safety, it is annoying taking off the hans to hop in a student's car and then putting it back on, every session.

SYT_Shadow · 02-20-2021, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrippy

K1 or MB2 or shifter carts?

Not shifter. I don't do it that often, it ruins my hands/arms. I've used some Rotax or something with 20hp which feel insane

SYT_Shadow · 02-20-2021, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bartledoo

Yea, I need to do this. In addition to the safety, it is annoying taking off the hans to hop in a student's car and then putting it back on, every session.

Yeah... and I still want the extra head restraint protection when in their cars

aus · 02-20-2021, 08:53 PM

Long but pretty good video

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derbo · 02-21-2021, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

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Originally Posted by aus

Anyone try the Simpson system vs HANS?
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My brother and I have moved from Hans to the Simpson Hybrid due to the latter's 3 point belt compatibility. As instructors we spend lots of time in cars with just 3 points.

If I were not an instructor I would still be using a Hans

I need to get this soon too. Having to unhook to get into the passenger seat is cumbersome.

I have to point out only the hybrid S is 3pt compatible not the cheaper variant one. Also it's what Randy Pobst uses on his car testing hot laps.

aus · 02-21-2021, 02:31 AM

Can someone explain how the Hybrid S is 3 point compliant but the regular Hybrid is not?
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VictorH · 02-21-2021, 07:20 AM

This is Simpson's description but doesn't explain your question.

https://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/...mpson-hybrid-s

Having said that, I just upgraded to this from an ancient Simpson Hybrid that's approaching 10 years old. The new system is far superior, much more comfortable, better fit and better head movement with no binding (the old style clips would hang up and limit head movement).
The one caveat, you should have the head-restraint tethers adjusted by someone who knows what he/she is doing or the dealer as this is super important and the whole point of the head/neck restraint.

SonnyJack · 02-21-2021, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_joe

Were you still on stock seats last season?

No, been in my OMP seats since Jan 2019

SonnyJack · 02-21-2021, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by derbo

Sorry, it wasn't meant towards you specifically. To clarify, I'm happy you are looking into head restraints and there are folks that think it's overboard.

I honestly do think stock safety equipment isn't really enough. At a minimal I think a quick fit harness and head restraint is ideal.

Ross Bentley has a point in the following article regarding safety equipment.

https://www.windingroad.com/articles...reality-check/

Absolutely no need for an apology! I appreciate your post very much! However, now I'm a tad annoyed at my experience when i bought my race seats. The only thing the shop was strongly against was the use of a harness bar vs a roll bar. My initial intent had been a harness bar but I had a discussion with the folks at the race shop and they were very strongly opposed to the harness bar option. As a result i went for the roll bar.

The HANS discussion though was not nearly as animated. I had picked out a 2 inch 6 pt harness and was asked if I planned on using a HANS device. When I said no, there was no other discussion on safety and i was simply told that I needed to switch to a 3 inch harness as the 2 inch ones could only be used with a HANS device. In fact I distinctly recall being asked if I still had working airbags and when I responded that I did there was no additional discussion.

I 100% always appreciate additional information from people who have more experience doing things than i do.

derbo · 02-21-2021, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

Can someone explain how the Hybrid S is 3 point compliant but the regular Hybrid is not?
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My guess is they paid for the testing to get it certified only on the S version. 🤷🏻*♂️

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aus Major General 892 Rep 9,032 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	So for HPDE, a Quickfit Pro and Hans will work with the airbags? I know the Quickfit Pro is made to "break away" and work with airbags and prevent submaringing but does the HANS actually work with the airbags and break away straps? I've always wondered if I should get one. . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Scrippy Lord Scrip 1815 Rep 3,013 Posts Drives: 2011 M3 Coupe Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: LA,Ca iTrader: (0) Garage List [0.00] 2007 BMW 335i [0.00]	I'm not there yet on the track but I have been wondering how these feel and if they annoy the crap out of you like most PPE. One side of me hopes I get more involved with racing and start using these and the other side is dreading it. I'm sure if and when I do I'll re read all of this again. I understand the importance when you start pushing harder and faster but it does seem cumbersome. Injury is way more serious a thing to consider though. Great post OP! __________________
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aus Major General 892 Rep 9,032 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Anyone try the Simpson system vs HANS? . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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aus Major General 892 Rep 9,032 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Long but pretty good video . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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aus Major General 892 Rep 9,032 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Can someone explain how the Hybrid S is 3 point compliant but the regular Hybrid is not? . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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VictorH Major 433 Rep 1,286 Posts Drives: '09 M3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SC iTrader: (4)	This is Simpson's description but doesn't explain your question. https://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/...mpson-hybrid-s Having said that, I just upgraded to this from an ancient Simpson Hybrid that's approaching 10 years old. The new system is far superior, much more comfortable, better fit and better head movement with no binding (the old style clips would hang up and limit head movement). The one caveat, you should have the head-restraint tethers adjusted by someone who knows what he/she is doing or the dealer as this is super important and the whole point of the head/neck restraint.
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