Differences with the DCT Upgrade

mkoesel · 10-13-2008, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

The update is out. I just picked up my car this morning and the installed the update last Thursday. I was out of town, so I had to get it today.

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edit: My car was a PuMA case, so maybe I got the update on a rush basis....just a thought.

Great to hear Tim. And great to see that BMW NA took care of you. You deserve huge props for being patient and keeping faith. I sure hope that you never have any more M-DCT problems again. The fix sounds like the real deal so far. Sounds like the stalling issue, at least tentatively (and optimistically) has been fixed. Hopefully the threshold braking issue is also now erradicated. We'll have to wait a bit longer to get confirmation on that.

And sorry to hear about the ticket. That truly sucks.

Question - did they give you any info about the update as far as a TSB number or a memo describing the fix or anything like that? I am about to set up my 1200mi service apt and it would be great if I could get info about the M-DCT upgrade and potentially have them do that also while the car is there.

And thanks for posting the update.

man02195 · 10-13-2008, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

The update is out. I just picked up my car this morning and the installed the update last Thursday. I was out of town, so I had to get it today.

edit: My car was a PuMA case, so maybe I got the update on a rush basis....just a thought.

congrats Tim, glad to hear you have the car back. I'm sure you'll be the first to let up know if any of the stalling issues return. I have a call into the dealer to see when I can bring mine in.

footie · 10-13-2008, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

The update is out. I just picked up my car this morning and the installed the update last Thursday. I was out of town, so I had to get it today.

Basically, everything the OP said is true. Upshifts are FAST now....they are as fast as I EXPECTED the car to shift before I even bought it. They are nearly instantaneous.

Downshifts are also really fast now. I basically have just driven in S6 so far, so no word on D modes, but I expect what the OP said to hold true.

On my way home, the car DID skip second gear again, but it could have been me. I ran through the gears again and was damn sure not to double tap and I could not replicate.

I tried one last time and ended up getting my first speeding ticket in 10 years. LOL. Phuckers. lol. Whatever.

All in all, it appears to be a HUGE improvement.

One thing I did notice though.......on the freeway, when flooring it and shifting from 3 to 4 (for example), it does not BANG hard like it used to, rather, it almost feels like the clutches are sliding a bit. Maybe it was me...maybe the tranny was not all the way up to temp, etc. hard to say, but I noticed a difference. I don't think it is a bad thing, just an observation. Around town, it fricken GETS IT HARD. Major wheel spin in 2nd....so far I love it! Minus the speding ticket.

I took out my V1 when I dropped the car off...and when I got to the dealer this am, I noticed I forgot to bring it...I told myself to chill on the way home....well, I got to exciting driving the car (its been 3 weeks). The tranny feels awesome now...I guess I lost my head about it! Time for traffic school now. lol

edit: My car was a PuMA case, so maybe I got the update on a rush basis....just a thought.

Great to hear you have got car back and the update seems to have cured all of your problems.

The surge is something I am debating with myself, originally I said it didn't feel as extreme as before the update, then after driving the car the following day I felt it was. Now after taking the nephew out for a spin in the car (he drives an E46 M3 of his father's from time to time) I felt once again that the surge was less than before.

I DO feel it's there in all it's entirety with 1st and 2rd gears, but after this I less sure. There is no doubt it's not so noticeable on part throttle compared to before but the paddle lag is definitely gone completely.

P.S.
Bad luck on the ticket, that's a bummer.

Captain Scott · 10-13-2008, 01:30 PM

Congratulations Tim, hope everything is fixed now for you with the new update.

Scott

nusevad · 10-13-2008, 02:27 PM

good to hear tim, I can't wait for the update!

Blake · 10-13-2008, 02:29 PM

NEED bulletin number please anyone!

Sticky · 10-13-2008, 02:58 PM

Sounds like everything is fixed but footie comments of less "surge" have me a little concerned.

Not sure what that means, the car should behave exactly the same power wise just the shifting mechanics have been altered.

e46e92love · 10-13-2008, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

The update is out. I just picked up my car this morning and the installed the update last Thursday. I was out of town, so I had to get it today.

Basically, everything the OP said is true. Upshifts are FAST now....they are as fast as I EXPECTED the car to shift before I even bought it. They are nearly instantaneous.

Downshifts are also really fast now. I basically have just driven in S6 so far, so no word on D modes, but I expect what the OP said to hold true.

On my way home, the car DID skip second gear again, but it could have been me. I ran through the gears again and was damn sure not to double tap and I could not replicate.

I tried one last time and ended up getting my first speeding ticket in 10 years. LOL. Phuckers. lol. Whatever.

All in all, it appears to be a HUGE improvement.

One thing I did notice though.......on the freeway, when flooring it and shifting from 3 to 4 (for example), it does not BANG hard like it used to, rather, it almost feels like the clutches are sliding a bit. Maybe it was me...maybe the tranny was not all the way up to temp, etc. hard to say, but I noticed a difference. I don't think it is a bad thing, just an observation. Around town, it fricken GETS IT HARD. Major wheel spin in 2nd....so far I love it! Minus the speding ticket.

I took out my V1 when I dropped the car off...and when I got to the dealer this am, I noticed I forgot to bring it...I told myself to chill on the way home....well, I got to exciting driving the car (its been 3 weeks). The tranny feels awesome now...I guess I lost my head about it! Time for traffic school now. lol

edit: My car was a PuMA case, so maybe I got the update on a rush basis....just a thought.

Told you Tim, no worries, BMW will take care of you. Glad they did so I didn't look like an ass for telling you not to worry

AZ-BMW · 10-13-2008, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blakepilot

NEED bulletin number please anyone!

My SA told me it is Progman 31.1.0 that fixes at least the following:

(1) A sudden drop in idle when slowing to a stop. This may cause a “stalling” effect. The vehicle restarts immediately and runs normally.

(2) An intermittent red “Emergency Gearbox Program” accompanied by a “Parking Lock Magnet” fault and / or an “Input Selector Lever Position” fault.

It will be available at my dealer later this week.

GregW / Oregon · 10-13-2008, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

The update is out. I just picked up my car this morning and the installed the update last Thursday. I was out of town, so I had to get it today.

Basically, everything the OP said is true. Upshifts are FAST now....they are as fast as I EXPECTED the car to shift before I even bought it. They are nearly instantaneous.

Downshifts are also really fast now. I basically have just driven in S6 so far, so no word on D modes, but I expect what the OP said to hold true.

On my way home, the car DID skip second gear again, but it could have been me. I ran through the gears again and was damn sure not to double tap and I could not replicate.

I tried one last time and ended up getting my first speeding ticket in 10 years. LOL. Phuckers. lol. Whatever.

All in all, it appears to be a HUGE improvement.

One thing I did notice though.......on the freeway, when flooring it and shifting from 3 to 4 (for example), it does not BANG hard like it used to, rather, it almost feels like the clutches are sliding a bit. Maybe it was me...maybe the tranny was not all the way up to temp, etc. hard to say, but I noticed a difference. I don't think it is a bad thing, just an observation. Around town, it fricken GETS IT HARD. Major wheel spin in 2nd....so far I love it! Minus the speding ticket.

I took out my V1 when I dropped the car off...and when I got to the dealer this am, I noticed I forgot to bring it...I told myself to chill on the way home....well, I got to exciting driving the car (its been 3 weeks). The tranny feels awesome now...I guess I lost my head about it! Time for traffic school now. lol

edit: My car was a PuMA case, so maybe I got the update on a rush basis....just a thought.

Not for me, but you might want to post what your invoice said was done for the other DCT early-adopters out there!

satinghostrider · 10-13-2008, 11:34 PM

Ok i got back my car after my agent screwed up the car by putting in the M5/M6 SMG liquid in the car. Luckily I made so much noise that they rectified the problem. They drained off the SMG liquid (Not the same as the 6 speed manual fluids that has damaged most DCT transmissions) and flushed it twice with the DCT liquid. Lastly, they put in the DCT liquid and now everything is fine. This was the directions given by BMW Asia through BMW AG and there was an ///M mechanic form Germany overseeing my problem here. They have also flashed my DME to the latest one and I must say the lag is ZERO. I cant believe how this things shifts so fast. I was pondering thought that previously at low speeds, it used to blip much more now its not as much or nothing at all. At higher speeds, all this blipping comes much more in play and in all sense, rev matched much better than previously. The auto mode is much more seamless and it doesnt jerk as much when slowing down though initially it felt kinda jerky but subsequently smoothening out. Could be the auto mode is adapting to the drivers style of driving. Nevertheless, truly a great upgrade for those who needs this quirks addresses. Mine has stalled twice so far before this upgrade so that remains to be seen. But for now, I think its the best drive since I got the M3. Need to play with it a little more.

Cheers!

footie · 10-14-2008, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Scott

Can I please have some of that your smoking,
This has to be one of the most laughable things I have heard on the crack pipe!

No offense

May I ask, have you driven a 360 before?

I have on quite a few occasions and to me I would place to acceleration of the M3 M-DCT to be at least on a par if not ahead.

The F430 is in another league but not the 360.

Mickb · 10-14-2008, 04:43 AM

I would say there is very little in it between the M3 and the 360. I recently went up against and drove in a 360 at a trackday. When both cars were on it, it was fairly close. The 360 driver was not pushing it in the corners which is where I think the 360 ordinarily should have the advantage.

M3 is slightly more powerful but carries more weight.

If you search youtube you will see a number of videos showing an E60 M5 owning a 360. Again it is more powerful than the M3 but carries more weight.

So I reckon the M3 and 360 are so close as to be a drivers race.

So that comment about the crack pipe is ridiculous. I agree with footie.

Mick

Sticky · 10-14-2008, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickb

I would say there is very little in it between the M3 and the 360. I recently went up against and drove in a 360 at a trackday. When both cars were on it, it was fairly close. The 360 driver was not pushing it in the corners which is where I think the 360 ordinarily should have the advantage.

M3 is slightly more powerful but carries more weight.

If you search youtube you will see a number of videos showing an E60 M5 owning a 360. Again it is more powerful than the M3 but carries more weight.

So I reckon the M3 and 360 are so close as to be a drivers race.

So that comment about the crack pipe is ridiculous. I agree with footie.

Mick

The 360 is nothing for the M3, it dynos 40 hp less and shifts much slower than a DCT.

Considering how I did against a gallardo a 360 is nothing to sweat for a DCT M3.

Captain Scott · 10-14-2008, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footie

May I ask, have you driven a 360 before?

I have on quite a few occasions and to me I would place to acceleration of the M3 M-DCT to be at least on a par if not ahead.

The F430 is in another league but not the 360.

Good morning footie, yes a very good friend of mine back in NJ had a 360 spider, late model, and now has a 2 year old F430. I have driven both cars numerous times.

As I only had my 08 for a few hours, and my 09 for a day before I shipped it. I can only tell you from driving the dealers demo car and beating the shit out of it

.... about what I thought of the acceleration and low end from the 3cars. FYI at the time of the demo I was not told about the LC, and probably for good reason.

You folks may laugh but I am a low end torque kind of a guy, hence the last two Twin Turbos. IMHO there is NO COMPARISON between the low end grunt and 0-60 speeds of these cars including the 360, and the 430. I like TORQUE, that is how I get my jollys, and unfortunately the M3 is not in the same league at least for me.

Does not mean I do not like the car as a whole, just the low end.

Maybe after trying out the LC, I might have a change of opinion, but for now, no way hoseaaaaaaaaaaa.

Scott

Mickb · 10-14-2008, 07:25 AM

Scott

That doesn't make a lot of sense. The M3 produces more torque and at a lower rpm and has a flatter torque curve than the 360.

Whatever your experience or perception, I can tell you for a fact that an M3 and a 360 have virtually nothing between them, so your crack pipe comment (which would imply that the two are worlds apart, which they are clearly not), is what has peoples back up.

Mick

Captain Scott · 10-14-2008, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickb

Scott

That doesn't make a lot of sense. The M3 produces more torque and at a lower rpm and has a flatter torque curve than the 360.

Whatever your experience or perception, I can tell you for a fact that an M3 and a 360 have virtually nothing between them, so your crack pipe comment (which would imply that the two are worlds apart, which they are clearly not), is what has peoples back up.

Mick

It may very well be a perception because after coming out of a car that produced 520 Ft Pounds of torque @ 3500 rpm I just might be a little biased. OK, no more CRACK PIPE COMMENTS

Mickb · 10-14-2008, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Scott

It may very well be a perception because after coming out of a car that produced 520 Ft Pounds of torque @ 3500 rpm I just might be a little biased. OK, no more CRACK PIPE COMMENTS

you can't get away with anything on this site eh?

Back on topic, can't wait to get my own software updated. 2 days to go and counting.

icemang17 · 10-14-2008, 10:31 PM

Tim
Did you go to Niello??? I bought mine from Elk Grove & still need to get the update?

I might take it to Elk Grove tomorrow, since I have some time..... I'll call my SA and ask him if they have the software....

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

The update is out. I just picked up my car this morning and the installed the update last Thursday. I was out of town, so I had to get it today.

Basically, everything the OP said is true. Upshifts are FAST now....they are as fast as I EXPECTED the car to shift before I even bought it. They are nearly instantaneous.

Downshifts are also really fast now. I basically have just driven in S6 so far, so no word on D modes, but I expect what the OP said to hold true.

On my way home, the car DID skip second gear again, but it could have been me. I ran through the gears again and was damn sure not to double tap and I could not replicate.

I tried one last time and ended up getting my first speeding ticket in 10 years. LOL. Phuckers. lol. Whatever.

All in all, it appears to be a HUGE improvement.

One thing I did notice though.......on the freeway, when flooring it and shifting from 3 to 4 (for example), it does not BANG hard like it used to, rather, it almost feels like the clutches are sliding a bit. Maybe it was me...maybe the tranny was not all the way up to temp, etc. hard to say, but I noticed a difference. I don't think it is a bad thing, just an observation. Around town, it fricken GETS IT HARD. Major wheel spin in 2nd....so far I love it! Minus the speding ticket.

I took out my V1 when I dropped the car off...and when I got to the dealer this am, I noticed I forgot to bring it...I told myself to chill on the way home....well, I got to exciting driving the car (its been 3 weeks). The tranny feels awesome now...I guess I lost my head about it! Time for traffic school now. lol

edit: My car was a PuMA case, so maybe I got the update on a rush basis....just a thought.

bcc69 · 10-15-2008, 07:52 PM

I took my car in this morning to get the update. My biggest complaint was the lag between pulling the paddles, and the actual shift.

Well I'm happy to report, that the lag is no longer there. This is exactly what I would expect out of MDCT. Shifts are almost instantaneous. S5 seems alittle subdued, but surge is still there.

KKSigs · 10-15-2008, 08:25 PM

Very cool, can't wait to get my update tomorrow

ihyln · 10-15-2008, 09:12 PM

I set an appointment for an update next monday at Morristown BMW. One of the first cars to be updated on the east coast apparently.

10-13-2008, 01:30 PM	#48
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satinghostrider Major 178 Rep 1,432 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 M3 ZCP LCI II Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Singapore iTrader: (1)	Ok i got back my car after my agent screwed up the car by putting in the M5/M6 SMG liquid in the car. Luckily I made so much noise that they rectified the problem. They drained off the SMG liquid (Not the same as the 6 speed manual fluids that has damaged most DCT transmissions) and flushed it twice with the DCT liquid. Lastly, they put in the DCT liquid and now everything is fine. This was the directions given by BMW Asia through BMW AG and there was an ///M mechanic form Germany overseeing my problem here. They have also flashed my DME to the latest one and I must say the lag is ZERO. I cant believe how this things shifts so fast. I was pondering thought that previously at low speeds, it used to blip much more now its not as much or nothing at all. At higher speeds, all this blipping comes much more in play and in all sense, rev matched much better than previously. The auto mode is much more seamless and it doesnt jerk as much when slowing down though initially it felt kinda jerky but subsequently smoothening out. Could be the auto mode is adapting to the drivers style of driving. Nevertheless, truly a great upgrade for those who needs this quirks addresses. Mine has stalled twice so far before this upgrade so that remains to be seen. But for now, I think its the best drive since I got the M3. Need to play with it a little more. Cheers! __________________ 2018 F80 LCI II ZCP ///M3 Mineral White M-DCT\| Sakhir Orange Interior\| \|M Performance Exhaust\| Last edited by satinghostrider; 10-14-2008 at 01:43 AM..
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Mickb Private First Class 13 Rep 137 Posts Drives: AW/FR E92 M3 DCT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ireland iTrader: (0)	I would say there is very little in it between the M3 and the 360. I recently went up against and drove in a 360 at a trackday. When both cars were on it, it was fairly close. The 360 driver was not pushing it in the corners which is where I think the 360 ordinarily should have the advantage. M3 is slightly more powerful but carries more weight. If you search youtube you will see a number of videos showing an E60 M5 owning a 360. Again it is more powerful than the M3 but carries more weight. So I reckon the M3 and 360 are so close as to be a drivers race. So that comment about the crack pipe is ridiculous. I agree with footie. Mick
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Mickb Private First Class 13 Rep 137 Posts Drives: AW/FR E92 M3 DCT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ireland iTrader: (0)	Scott That doesn't make a lot of sense. The M3 produces more torque and at a lower rpm and has a flatter torque curve than the 360. Whatever your experience or perception, I can tell you for a fact that an M3 and a 360 have virtually nothing between them, so your crack pipe comment (which would imply that the two are worlds apart, which they are clearly not), is what has peoples back up. Mick
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