Alfa Romeo Giulia

1MOREMOD · 11-27-2015, 04:13 PM

Yes I could see picking it over m3/4 problem is at 100k there are lots of other things I would pick and wouldn't buy an m3/4 new either.

OneMmmm · 11-27-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Yes I could see picking it over m3/4 problem is at 100k there are lots of other things I would pick and wouldn't buy an m3/4 new either.

Top end model starts at $70k. But at $100k... I'd start shopping for a P-car.

1MOREMOD · 11-27-2015, 04:16 PM

I'd get viper ta or gt3.

Rajmun340 · 11-27-2015, 06:23 PM

It's not a 4WD, even if it made 50psi of boost it has already lost against the GT-R which can actually put its power down the road (and so it joins the m4 camp of TC cars with useless power that only serves to sell car on paper, maybe they'll use donut drifting videos like the m4). But it's lighter ?? it won't change the result. And bmw marketing had lied too during the whole m4 pre release and even as the m4 was being sold about weight so why could they not ? The car ended up several hundred pounds heavier as measured by owners ... no explanation, it just is... And more and more they can say what they want about perf numbers, it's all taken under some ECU settings that are not going to be available when you drive the car (but you'll never know that) because they would have to replace your engine when it died after 6 month if it performed like they advertise.

The ubiquitous HP and TQ numbers, HP/liter, that you see everywhere mean very little when the car is turbocharged. Back when cars were all NA, those numbers had great significance because it applied pure and simple. With turbos it's an inadequate way to describe specs. If those cars had to be raced on tracks lap after lap in competition then more real meaningful specs would have to be invented to rank their engine more realistically. As it is Turbo HP is like devalued money, they can print it at will.

Most conspicuous is the absence of any metric used to describe the amount of lag, horsepower without boost, horsepower in transitions, heat soak. Basically they advertise turbo cars as if they were NA where only HP and TQ matters. It's all wrong. But they will continue until the market realizes that you have to invent a different set of metrics to describe how a turbo engine car performs and how it can be ranked vs. another turbo car. As it is now it is all a lot of BS.

Bucki14 · 12-01-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeM3SSII

It's not a 4WD, even if it made 50psi of boost it has already lost against the GT-R which can actually put its power down the road (and so it joins the m4 camp of TC cars with useless power that only serves to sell car on paper, maybe they'll use donut drifting videos like the m4). But it's lighter ?? it won't change the result. And bmw marketing had lied too during the whole m4 pre release and even as the m4 was being sold about weight so why could they not ? The car ended up several hundred pounds heavier as measured by owners ... no explanation, it just is... And more and more they can say what they want about perf numbers, it's all taken under some ECU settings that are not going to be available when you drive the car (but you'll never know that) because they would have to replace your engine when it died after 6 month if it performed like they advertise.

The ubiquitous HP and TQ numbers, HP/liter, that you see everywhere mean very little when the car is turbocharged. Back when cars were all NA, those numbers had great significance because it applied pure and simple. With turbos it's an inadequate way to describe specs. If those cars had to be raced on tracks lap after lap in competition then more real meaningful specs would have to be invented to rank their engine more realistically. As it is Turbo HP is like devalued money, they can print it at will.

Most conspicuous is the absence of any metric used to describe the amount of lag, horsepower without boost, horsepower in transitions, heat soak. Basically they advertise turbo cars as if they were NA where only HP and TQ matters. It's all wrong. But they will continue until the market realizes that you have to invent a different set of metrics to describe how a turbo engine car performs and how it can be ranked vs. another turbo car. As it is now it is all a lot of BS.

Amen, enuff said.

Honda · 12-01-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OneMmmm

I do think the F8X is a better looking car, but I don't find this ugly. Curious to see how it drives, but specs indicate it should be an easy choice when shopping against a new M3/4.

Com on...F8X M3 is way more hotter even though it sounds bad but it looks great nontheless.

Denk · 12-01-2015, 10:05 PM

I'd take an F80 M3 with an AA exhaust over this puppy. F8x with AA sounds waaay better than stock.

OneMmmm · 12-01-2015, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by S65-M3

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Originally Posted by OneMmmm

I do think the F8X is a better looking car, but I don't find this ugly. Curious to see how it drives, but specs indicate it should be an easy choice when shopping against a new M3/4.

Com on...F8X M3 is way more hotter even though it sounds bad but it looks great nontheless.

Re-read my comment. I agree that the F80 is better looking. Cheers.

BRBM · 12-02-2015, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OneMmmm

Re-read my comment. I agree that the F80 is better looking. Cheers.

ZZZZZZing! Pay attention S65-M3!! Dadgummit.

Oops....

....my bad. I shouldn't instigate. (But that sh-- was funny.

So sorry.)

InspireSiR · 12-04-2015, 12:11 PM

Please post this in F82 forum. They'll have a meltdown over there lol

What am I going to buy when my E92 clunks out, though???

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Originally Posted by JoeM3SSII

It's not a 4WD, even if it made 50psi of boost it has already lost against the GT-R which can actually put its power down the road (and so it joins the m4 camp of TC cars with useless power that only serves to sell car on paper, maybe they'll use donut drifting videos like the m4). But it's lighter ?? it won't change the result. And bmw marketing had lied too during the whole m4 pre release and even as the m4 was being sold about weight so why could they not ? The car ended up several hundred pounds heavier as measured by owners ... no explanation, it just is... And more and more they can say what they want about perf numbers, it's all taken under some ECU settings that are not going to be available when you drive the car (but you'll never know that) because they would have to replace your engine when it died after 6 month if it performed like they advertise.

The ubiquitous HP and TQ numbers, HP/liter, that you see everywhere mean very little when the car is turbocharged. Back when cars were all NA, those numbers had great significance because it applied pure and simple. With turbos it's an inadequate way to describe specs. If those cars had to be raced on tracks lap after lap in competition then more real meaningful specs would have to be invented to rank their engine more realistically. As it is Turbo HP is like devalued money, they can print it at will.

Most conspicuous is the absence of any metric used to describe the amount of lag, horsepower without boost, horsepower in transitions, heat soak. Basically they advertise turbo cars as if they were NA where only HP and TQ matters. It's all wrong. But they will continue until the market realizes that you have to invent a different set of metrics to describe how a turbo engine car performs and how it can be ranked vs. another turbo car. As it is now it is all a lot of BS.

Rajmun340 · 12-04-2015, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by InspireSiR

Please post this in F82 forum. They'll have a meltdown over there lol

What am I going to buy when my E92 clunks out, though???

Ha. I used to, do you know what would happen in the old soviet USSR when people opened their mouth ? gulag and deleted from the surface of the earth. Same in the F8x forum section in a virtual way.
When the F8x was released if you only posted "that car sounds horrible", nothing more, in the F8x section of the forum, your account would be wiped out. Tried and tested.

GERMAN M3 · 12-05-2015, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by S65-M3

The front of the car is really ugly ...kind of a deal breaker to me

The Front End looks great!! But, that's just my opinion.

whats77inaname · 07-29-2016, 02:48 PM

A friend of mine sold his GTR and has one on order. I have to say, I'm really digging this car.

https://www.alfaromeousa.com/cars/al...glio.gotostyle

The configurator is online. Not sure what's up with the lack of the curb weight on the specs sheet. But, Brembos come stock, and it has a ZF 6MT. 7250 rpm redline, too and air to water intercooler.

Haywood · 12-12-2016, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by whats77inaname

A friend of mine sold his GTR and has one on order. I have to say, I'm really digging this car.

https://www.alfaromeousa.com/cars/al...glio.gotostyle

The configurator is online. Not sure what's up with the lack of the curb weight on the specs sheet. But, Brembos come stock, and it has a ZF 6MT. 7250 rpm redline, too and air to water intercooler.

I've been taking a hard look at the Quadrifoglio and it looks like it has potential. Unfortunately, the manual won't make it to the states. I've contacted my local Alfa dealer and they will let me know when they get one in to test drive.

whats77inaname · 12-14-2016, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Haywood

I've been taking a hard look at the Quadrifoglio and it looks like it has potential. Unfortunately, the manual won't make it to the states. I've contacted my local Alfa dealer and they will let me know when they get one in to test drive.

My friend in LA got his in a stick. He said you can only get them in stick ATM.....at least in CA. Should be delivered by the end of next week.

Haywood · 12-15-2016, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by whats77inaname

My friend in LA got his in a stick. He said you can only get them in stick ATM.....at least in CA. Should be delivered by the end of next week.

What??? Really? What's 'ATM'?

Iyzmi · 12-15-2016, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood

What??? Really? What's 'ATM'?

At the moment.

Bucki14 · 12-15-2016, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BRBM

With 35 psi of boost!? (They done lost their minds. I've never seen anyone go higher than 25; most apply mid/upper teen to low 20s levels.)

Tears reading this one, IDK why

Haywood · 12-15-2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Iyzmi

At the moment.

Thanks. I know it as Ass to Mouth, but then again, I'm pretty sick.

roastbeef · 02-07-2017, 03:07 AM

anyone drive one yet?

Haywood · 02-07-2017, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by roastbeef

anyone drive one yet?

Nope. Still waiting to get one in my area. The one dealership in Vienna sold theirs already.

Richbot · 02-11-2017, 03:13 PM

Saw one in the flesh in bright blue and loved it, but it was locked, at the STL auto show. There were a bunch of salesroaches standing around it so I let discretion be the better part of valor but man it looked good in person. Like it had been styled by a human being and not a paint-by-numbers VENTS SCOOPS SPOILERS LED'S FLARES NOSTRILS L-SHAPED TAILLIGHTS HOFMEISTER KINK CARBON FIBERRRRRRR modern BMW design. It also looked broken already somehow, maybe because it was sitting still

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1MOREMOD - 11817 Rep 23,187 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	Yes I could see picking it over m3/4 problem is at 100k there are lots of other things I would pick and wouldn't buy an m3/4 new either.
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Rajmun340 Major 413 Rep 1,178 Posts Drives: 2013 E92 M3 ZCP factory order Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: NC iTrader: (0)	It's not a 4WD, even if it made 50psi of boost it has already lost against the GT-R which can actually put its power down the road (and so it joins the m4 camp of TC cars with useless power that only serves to sell car on paper, maybe they'll use donut drifting videos like the m4). But it's lighter ?? it won't change the result. And bmw marketing had lied too during the whole m4 pre release and even as the m4 was being sold about weight so why could they not ? The car ended up several hundred pounds heavier as measured by owners ... no explanation, it just is... And more and more they can say what they want about perf numbers, it's all taken under some ECU settings that are not going to be available when you drive the car (but you'll never know that) because they would have to replace your engine when it died after 6 month if it performed like they advertise. The ubiquitous HP and TQ numbers, HP/liter, that you see everywhere mean very little when the car is turbocharged. Back when cars were all NA, those numbers had great significance because it applied pure and simple. With turbos it's an inadequate way to describe specs. If those cars had to be raced on tracks lap after lap in competition then more real meaningful specs would have to be invented to rank their engine more realistically. As it is Turbo HP is like devalued money, they can print it at will. Most conspicuous is the absence of any metric used to describe the amount of lag, horsepower without boost, horsepower in transitions, heat soak. Basically they advertise turbo cars as if they were NA where only HP and TQ matters. It's all wrong. But they will continue until the market realizes that you have to invent a different set of metrics to describe how a turbo engine car performs and how it can be ranked vs. another turbo car. As it is now it is all a lot of BS.
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Denk Brigadier General 1006 Rep 3,341 Posts Drives: 2021 X5M Join Date: May 2011 Location: PNW iTrader: (2)	I'd take an F80 M3 with an AA exhaust over this puppy. F8x with AA sounds waaay better than stock.
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whats77inaname Banned 825 Rep 3,387 Posts Drives: when at all possible Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tx iTrader: (25)	A friend of mine sold his GTR and has one on order. I have to say, I'm really digging this car. https://www.alfaromeousa.com/cars/al...glio.gotostyle The configurator is online. Not sure what's up with the lack of the curb weight on the specs sheet. But, Brembos come stock, and it has a ZF 6MT. 7250 rpm redline, too and air to water intercooler.
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Richbot Major General 2759 Rep 5,484 Posts Drives: Jerez Black E90 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: STL iTrader: (5)	Saw one in the flesh in bright blue and loved it, but it was locked, at the STL auto show. There were a bunch of salesroaches standing around it so I let discretion be the better part of valor but man it looked good in person. Like it had been styled by a human being and not a paint-by-numbers VENTS SCOOPS SPOILERS LED'S FLARES NOSTRILS L-SHAPED TAILLIGHTS HOFMEISTER KINK CARBON FIBERRRRRRR modern BMW design. It also looked broken already somehow, maybe because it was sitting still __________________
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